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What a ****ed up **** Tommy two names is, get him banged up in a hard yard.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters
"Family in fear after Tommy Robinson shares video of black man with white granddaughters
Exclusive: Olajuwon Ayeni racially abused and falsely labelled a *****phile as far right weaponises clip of family in park."

"A family say their lives have been ruined after a video of a black man and his brother playing in the park with his white granddaughters was shared by Tommy Robinson and weaponised by the far right.
Olajuwon Ayeni, a musician from Redcar, North Yorkshire, has been racially abused and falsely labelled a *****phile in the week since the family video was stolen from the TikTok account of his wife, Natalie, whom he married five years ago, and shared by extremists online."

In my experience of protesting from ban the bomb marches, Greenham common, anti Vietnam showing, solidarity with the miners ect ect is that the violence in the main comes from the right wing together with the lies and misinformation from the right wing gutter press compounded now days of course by the social media disgraces
 
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StJabbo1 said:
What a ****ed up **** Tommy two names is, get him banged up in a hard yard.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters
"Family in fear after Tommy Robinson shares video of black man with white granddaughters
Exclusive: Olajuwon Ayeni racially abused and falsely labelled a *****phile as far right weaponises clip of family in park."

"A family say their lives have been ruined after a video of a black man and his brother playing in the park with his white granddaughters was shared by Tommy Robinson and weaponised by the far right.
Olajuwon Ayeni, a musician from Redcar, North Yorkshire, has been racially abused and falsely labelled a *****phile in the week since the family video was stolen from the TikTok account of his wife, Natalie, whom he married five years ago, and shared by extremists online."

In my experience of protesting from ban the bomb marches, Greenham common, anti Vietnam showing, solidarity with the miners ect ect is that the violence in the main comes from the right wing together with the lies and misinformation from the right wing gutter press compounded now days of course by the social media disgraces
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The biggest flag hugger of the lot.
 
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Anyone coming onto our property with nefarious intent will be met by the wrath of Mrs Jab, a ferocious four legged friend and salt water crocs in the moat.
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All you southern knifemen are the same. lol. Ye olde spirit never dies.
 
San Tejón said:
I’m looking at the poster in the background, with the line “stop the boats” and wondering if any one of them will one day realise that their hero Nigel is the main reason for the boats.
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This is one of the most disingenuous myths pushed out at the moment. Most of the EU has been ignoring the dublin protocol since the Syrian exodus! Even if we were still in the EU there would not be some magic resurgence of interest in using the dublin protocol to place the handling of asylum seekers in different countries. That was the problem in the first place!

The other side of the coin is the urban myth of "they have to apply in the first safe country they arrive in" which of course is completely untrue and always has been however this sudden emergence in the past couple of months pushing this "Dublin protocol" line completely ignores that the rest of the EU has been picking and choosing when to apply it, if at all, and at times completely suspending it!

Reality is the EU and France are quite happy for everybody to head to the French Cost and be off their hands. Of course it will be wrapped up in nice words and humanity aspects but the reality is they don't care. They watch from the sidelines all these people walking through the continent to the French Cost. They know they are all risking their lives. They don't care a bean and then harp on about human rights and evil Brits and then stay sitting and watching it all happen with people rolling through their countries! Playing their games of hot potato with people's lives.
 
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Honestly, you need to get out more and stop basing your ideas on X, social media, and Spiked magazine. To in any equivocate Racist Violence with Gay Pride is so wrong I can’t even begin to explain how offensive it is. The only people excluded by Gay Pride are the ones who hate people for their identity.
A person carrying an English flag meets someone carrying a gay flag. Statistically, the likely outcome is not good for the latter.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/n...gbtq-people-continues-stonewall-slams-uk-gov-

You seem to have a problem with minority groups and the victims of war- like Palestinians.
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Did someone say we need more Spiked magazine?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/08/20/how-flying-the-flag-became-a-symbol-of-revolt/
 
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This is one of the most disingenuous myths pushed out at the moment. Most of the EU has been ignoring the dublin protocol since the Syrian exodus! Even if we were still in the EU there would not be some magic resurgence of interest in using the dublin protocol to place the handling of asylum seekers in different countries. That was the problem in the first place!

The other side of the coin is the urban myth of "they have to apply in the first safe country they arrive in" which of course is completely untrue and always has been however this sudden emergence in the past couple of months pushing this "Dublin protocol" line completely ignores that the rest of the EU has been picking and choosing when to apply it, if at all, and at times completely suspending it!

Reality is the EU and France are quite happy for everybody to head to the French Cost and be off their hands. Of course it will be wrapped up in nice words and humanity aspects but the reality is they don't care. They watch from the sidelines all these people walking through the continent to the French Cost. They know they are all risking their lives. They don't care a bean and then harp on about human rights and evil Brits and then stay sitting and watching it all happen with people rolling through their countries! Playing their games of hot potato with people's lives.
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Not disingenuous at all.
This is from 2023.
“Professor Thom Brooks, Professor of Law and Government, launched the most comprehensive report into the issue of asylum seekers using small boats to cross the Channel to Britain. A key finding of the 55 page report is that the Government's Brexit deal is a primary factor.

No small boat arrivals are recorded prior to 2018 when the UK was a part of a returns arrangement with the EU whereby anyone making the crossing could be returned. But the Government's Brexit deal did not include any agreement on a new returns arrangement and so returning migrants became far more difficult - and small boat crossings grew quickly. Other findings of the report are that the Government requires a new returns arrangement if it wants to make substantial progress in reducing numbers.”

Alternatively this is an AI response.
Yes, there were small boat crossings before Brexit, but they were significantly less frequent than after. Before Brexit, the UK was part of a returns arrangement with the EU, making it easier to return migrants who crossed the Channel in small boats. The UK's departure from the EU, without a new returns agreement, made returns more difficult, contributing to a sharp increase in small boat crossings.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Limited Crossings Before 2018:
    While there were attempts to cross the Channel in small boats before 2018, the numbers were relatively low. The UK, as part of the EU, had agreements that allowed for the return of migrants to the country where they first entered the EU.
  • Brexit and Returns:
    After Brexit, the UK lost the ability to easily return migrants to other EU countries under the previous agreements. This made the UK a more attractive destination for those seeking to enter the UK, leading to a surge in small boat crossings.
  • Increased Crossings After 2018:
    From 2018 onwards, particularly after Brexit, the number of migrants crossing the Channel in small boats increased dramatically. This increase is linked to the difficulty of returning migrants to other EU countries.
The bottom line is that Farage and the Tories opened the door for the upsurge in migrants seeking asylum as a direct result of Brexit, which supports my comments that Farage is responsible, as he was the driving force behind the Tories having the referendum.
 
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San Tejón said:
Not disingenuous at all.
This is from 2023.
“Professor Thom Brooks, Professor of Law and Government, launched the most comprehensive report into the issue of asylum seekers using small boats to cross the Channel to Britain. A key finding of the 55 page report is that the Government's Brexit deal is a primary factor.

No small boat arrivals are recorded prior to 2018 when the UK was a part of a returns arrangement with the EU whereby anyone making the crossing could be returned. But the Government's Brexit deal did not include any agreement on a new returns arrangement and so returning migrants became far more difficult - and small boat crossings grew quickly. Other findings of the report are that the Government requires a new returns arrangement if it wants to make substantial progress in reducing numbers.”

Alternatively this is an AI response.
Yes, there were small boat crossings before Brexit, but they were significantly less frequent than after. Before Brexit, the UK was part of a returns arrangement with the EU, making it easier to return migrants who crossed the Channel in small boats. The UK's departure from the EU, without a new returns agreement, made returns more difficult, contributing to a sharp increase in small boat crossings.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Limited Crossings Before 2018:
    While there were attempts to cross the Channel in small boats before 2018, the numbers were relatively low. The UK, as part of the EU, had agreements that allowed for the return of migrants to the country where they first entered the EU.
  • Brexit and Returns:
    After Brexit, the UK lost the ability to easily return migrants to other EU countries under the previous agreements. This made the UK a more attractive destination for those seeking to enter the UK, leading to a surge in small boat crossings.
  • Increased Crossings After 2018:
    From 2018 onwards, particularly after Brexit, the number of migrants crossing the Channel in small boats increased dramatically. This increase is linked to the difficulty of returning migrants to other EU countries.
The bottom line is that Farage and the Tories opened the door for the upsurge in migrants seeking asylum as a direct result of Brexit, which supports my comments that Farage is responsible, as he was the driving force behind the Tories having the referendum.
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And from today’s media.

“There are 210 asylum hotels in the UK. Under the Tories at its highest there were more than 400. It costs £5.7m a day, down from £9m when Rishi Sunak was PM. At the end of March, 32,345 people lived in such hotels – as opposed to more than 56,000 under the Tories in September 2023. The backlog ballooned between 2020 and 2024, thanks to no return agreement with Europe after Brexit and the failed Rwanda scheme.”
 
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