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We're extremely well balanced on here. We've got a chip on both shoulders.
You know I think people massively overthink politics.
Just had someone say Harris lost because she went too hard on Trump’s criminal cases.
I think the reality both here and there is people by and large vote on ‘do you feel better off than 4 years ago?’
Yes = Government gets re-elected
No = They don’t
Trump failed to do this last time and lost, Biden failed to do this over the last four years and Harris lost, Trump will probably fail over the next four years and if the US is still a democracy then whatever the Republicans put out in 4 years will lose.
Most of everything else we talk about is just noise in the grand scheme.
Reality is that every government both here and the US has overseen a decline in living standards since 2008 and no one has found a way of arresting that trend, the public are getting more restless and less forgiving.
Obama probably survived this because it was early into the decline.
The Conservatives survived for so long by throwing a big old distraction into the mix (Brexit) the instant that passed they were toast.
Just had someone say Harris lost because she went too hard on Trump’s criminal cases.
I think the reality both here and there is people by and large vote on ‘do you feel better off than 4 years ago?’
Yes = Government gets re-elected
No = They don’t
Trump failed to do this last time and lost, Biden failed to do this over the last four years and Harris lost, Trump will probably fail over the next four years and if the US is still a democracy then whatever the Republicans put out in 4 years will lose.
Most of everything else we talk about is just noise in the grand scheme.
Reality is that every government both here and the US has overseen a decline in living standards since 2008 and no one has found a way of arresting that trend, the public are getting more restless and less forgiving.
Obama probably survived this because it was early into the decline.
The Conservatives survived for so long by throwing a big old distraction into the mix (Brexit) the instant that passed they were toast.
We are having an international levelling out. China is already reaching the end point of its meteoric rise - and will soon be replaced by India as it rises up. And then another country will. It is the poorest countries with the most people which are seeing huge increases in wealth. And then they get rich and this drops as people stop wanting to be taken advantage of.
As we lurch towards a Trump driven future I was reminded last night by an old repeat on R4extra of a great book -
Mistakes were made (but not by me) - Tavris & Aronson
Nothing really new in there for this jaded, old 'Mental Nurse'. But the presentation and examples of humans being foolish, cruel and the ability to indulge in cognitive dissonance are superb. Also occasionally uncomfortable as you recognise bits of yourself.
It will help explain Trump's success without assuming 50% of the USA is mad or deluded.
Mistakes were made (but not by me) - Tavris & Aronson
Nothing really new in there for this jaded, old 'Mental Nurse'. But the presentation and examples of humans being foolish, cruel and the ability to indulge in cognitive dissonance are superb. Also occasionally uncomfortable as you recognise bits of yourself.
It will help explain Trump's success without assuming 50% of the USA is mad or deluded.
"Most people are ****ing idiots mate, that’s always been democracy’s greatest weakness."
While I wouldn't totally disagree with this statement (we have, after all, been saddled with Labour here in the UK) , it's always amusing (and arrogant) that it gets trotted out when the "wrong" result is announced.
I'm not celebrating Trump's win (I think he's a dreadful person) but the reaction on here to Os' victory dance is hilarious, however much he's enjoying the moment he's not the one being petulant.
Didn't someone on here tell him to "suck it up buttercup" on another issue only yesterday? Well, what's good for the goose.....
While I wouldn't totally disagree with this statement (we have, after all, been saddled with Labour here in the UK) , it's always amusing (and arrogant) that it gets trotted out when the "wrong" result is announced.
I'm not celebrating Trump's win (I think he's a dreadful person) but the reaction on here to Os' victory dance is hilarious, however much he's enjoying the moment he's not the one being petulant.
Didn't someone on here tell him to "suck it up buttercup" on another issue only yesterday? Well, what's good for the goose.....
And while everyone is looking west, this is happening on our own doorstep.
How long before Trump pulls the USA out of NATO and Europe goes to war with Russia?
RUSSIAN spies plotted to firebomb commercial jets in a botched operation that sparked warehouse blazes, counter-terror chiefs fear.
It is believed Vladimir Putin’s GU officers planted the magnesium devices hoping they would end up on transatlantic flights.
But one ignited at a DHL HQ in Minworth, near Birmingham, while the other set a shipping container ablaze at the firm’s facility in Leipzig, Germany.
MI5 chiefs and counter-terror police fear it was part of Russia’s bid to destabilise the West over its support for Ukraine One western security source said: “Russia has become very reckless and openly hostile in this growing conflict with the West.
“Many people in the intelligence community are alarmed by this and are asking at what point is something an act of war and no longer below the threshold for conflict?”
Magnesium blazes produce intense heat and flames that would quickly spread as airline fire extinguishers would struggle to put them out.
German officials claim the Leipzig device was triggered on the ground because the flight was delayed.
How long before Trump pulls the USA out of NATO and Europe goes to war with Russia?
RUSSIAN spies plotted to firebomb commercial jets in a botched operation that sparked warehouse blazes, counter-terror chiefs fear.
It is believed Vladimir Putin’s GU officers planted the magnesium devices hoping they would end up on transatlantic flights.
But one ignited at a DHL HQ in Minworth, near Birmingham, while the other set a shipping container ablaze at the firm’s facility in Leipzig, Germany.
MI5 chiefs and counter-terror police fear it was part of Russia’s bid to destabilise the West over its support for Ukraine One western security source said: “Russia has become very reckless and openly hostile in this growing conflict with the West.
“Many people in the intelligence community are alarmed by this and are asking at what point is something an act of war and no longer below the threshold for conflict?”
Magnesium blazes produce intense heat and flames that would quickly spread as airline fire extinguishers would struggle to put them out.
German officials claim the Leipzig device was triggered on the ground because the flight was delayed.
I am with you on this.
It is what it is, it is not only though the Os victory dance, it is the sheer arrogance of the way he does it. Now every crackpot thing he says he now thinks is right. Let's face it he is a cock and cant see why someone so far down a rabbit hole bothers to try to 'educate' the board. I have said before that if I wanted to listen to his rhetoric, I would go on twitter or join a few far right facebook groups.
He wasn't 'right' in this case (as there is no right or wrong just differing opinions) but did pick the winner of the race.
In Europe we are undeniably worse off. Ukraine will likely fall, the US will likely leave Nato, and Europe will be in a pickle. If you only care about the US then America First is fine.
Don't forget the 20% import duty and the evermore receding likelihood of a trade deal that was going to be the easiest ever following brexshit. Or was that the one after one done the day after leaving with the EU because they need us more than we need them.
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Looking objectively at the data, you really do have to question the legitimacy of the 2020 results.
The one election that was mostly postal votes, miraculously found 20mil extra votes for the democrats.
If you look purely at these charts, you can definitely see why people think there was fraud involved.
Whoever made this chart and added three question marks above the 2020 result is also in the rabbit hole. Sometimes people vote for the other team. Dignity means accepting it.
We have to accept Brexit and 14 years of Tories. You have to accept Biden existed. Not doing so makes you look a fruitloop.
Thought I'd better do a bit of background research rather than inferring something from a single misleading source. The chart and other information only go to show the inequities of the electoral collage vs popular vote and the need for reform. There is no evidence of voter fraud whatsoever after all charges have been refuted in case after case leaving such claims in the realm of the conspiraloons.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...05/election-popular-vote-results/76080574007/
Fair play for doing some ‘research’.
I wouldn’t expect someone with your grasp of maths to be able to read charts on your own. So genuinely, well done.
However back in the real world, where we can think for ourselves, we see that in this year’s record turnout; trump is sat on 71mil votes.
Dementia Joe Biden supposedly amassed 81 million votes last time, alongside a high republican turnout.
The math isn’t mathing
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Well it is because people had simply had enough of your beloved Trump.
It is totally mathing. You just don’t want it to math. There was a much higher turnout last time around as people wanted Trump out. This time the economy has stagnated and Harris has failed to excite the voting public. Also, more people have voted independent this year - which is a stat glaringly absent from your very complicated graphs…
Just to show this works both ways, Jeremy Corbyn got 3 million more votes than Starmer. He didn't get in. Nobody has called it fraud. Put the tin hat in the bin.