Off Topic Politics Thread
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You find it hard to believe that the main cause of rape is men who objectify women? Well maybe, but I find it hard to believe it’s not a factor.
Was thinking that. In the current climate, with MPs regularly threatened and occasionally attacked, I can see why Private Eye didn’t want to use it.
I think a more likely cause is the vast amount of undocumented males from society’s where misogyny is an accepted part of life is a more likely issue than someone making a few sexist jokes on Twitter.
I don’t get why you and a few people on here are trying to pretend like this has zero impact on what’s happening. It’s odd.
The other likely cause is the ridiculously pathetic justice system. I know of someone that stabbed a woman who is being released after six months.
Six months for stabbing someone. He breached his restraining order against her 20 times. When he is out she will be in mortal danger.
Yet people are going to prison for months/years for tweets and memes.
You defended him when he was first arrested in Romania.
You also repeated pretty much verbatim the complete pack of lies he put out within minutes of the Southport atrocity about the ethnicity, religion, and origin of the perpetrator.
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Government statistics on ethnicity of those convicted of rape and indecent assault.
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Why let actual facts get in the way of racist hyperbole.
Thanks for the info Chilcs and TIOO#7 is right, Os will ignore anything that disproves his racist anti immigrant rhetoric. It gives the lie to his self proclaimed intellectual superpowers.
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Yeah, but these statistics are from a Labour government. You'd never get the Tories releasing this sort of thing. Oh...
I predict the response will be that the government have manipulated the stats or similar. Conspiracy theorists think they are the clever ones and when facts don’t suit the narrative then they must be fake news.
garysfc
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Well he’s definitely not my cup of tea but if true, then yes great gesture.
I don't really want to get into this one but I feel I have to because those numbers aren't the slam dunk people seem to think they are.
Breakdown of Overall Population (according to 2011 census)
White - 86%
Asian - 7.5%
Black - 3.3%
Mixed - 2.2%
Other - 1%
2011 Convictions for Rape of a female aged 16 or over (ignoring "not stated")
White - 67.8%
Asian - 11.8%
Black - 15.8%
Mixed - 2.2%
Other - 2.2%
2012 Convictions for Rape of a female aged 16 or over (ignoring "not stated")
White - 64.1%
Asian - 12.2%
Black - 17.6%
Mixed - 3.7%
Other - 2.4%
But I really don't think this is a worthwhile conversation.
- Very few people think the number of rape convictions is an accurate reflection of what's really happening in the country so there's no way those figures are the final word on the matter. Unfortunately that's the nature of the offence.
- It appears those figures show the number of people convicted but that's not the same as the number of offences. I think someone who rapes a single person counts as one and someone involved in a grooming gang and convicted of multiple gang rapes would also count as one.
- Os talked about "undocumented males" which implies illegal immigration. Those statistics appear to be the latest available but they're quite old now and pre-date the surge in small boats crossing the channel (and the increase in stories I've heard from women about being followed/pestered by men).
- In the context of a discussion about immigration ethnicity stats are only part of the story. For example those numbers say nothing about nationality.
- As the UK is a majority white country you'd expect the majority of offences to be committed by white people so you need to do more calculations and look at the proportions. In some cases those numbers may actually support what Os has said. As you can see from the quick calculations I've done below for line 19C in 2011 and 2012, the data in that table suggests there were a disproportionate number of asian and black rapists in those years.
Breakdown of Overall Population (according to 2011 census)
White - 86%
Asian - 7.5%
Black - 3.3%
Mixed - 2.2%
Other - 1%
2011 Convictions for Rape of a female aged 16 or over (ignoring "not stated")
White - 67.8%
Asian - 11.8%
Black - 15.8%
Mixed - 2.2%
Other - 2.2%
2012 Convictions for Rape of a female aged 16 or over (ignoring "not stated")
White - 64.1%
Asian - 12.2%
Black - 17.6%
Mixed - 3.7%
Other - 2.4%
But I really don't think this is a worthwhile conversation.
Great analysis, and something always ignored in these conversations when people being up the raw numbers. The amount of not stated in those numbers is also statistically significant.
It is a seemingly little known statistical fact that white people in the UK commit most (would say all but inevitably not going to be 100%...) crimes at lower rates relative to the population than other ethnicities.
In muggings, stabbings, theft etc it is even more disproportionate.
The best way to do these analyses is probably to check by economic situation- then I suggest it would easier to see a correlation. People from backgrounds they see as hopeless are more likely to fall into a life of crime.
That is not to say rich people don’t commit crimes. Just different ones.
That is not to say rich people don’t commit crimes. Just different ones.
Well of course.
Issue for that way of thinking is, given the majority of immigrants will be on the poorer end of the scale, it should be generally accepted that they will commit more crimes once here. Which from previous commentary has been scoffed at?
Depends what inflection you feel previous commenter was putting on it. We softy liberal crybaby types generally think enriching society and improving living conditions for immigrants would help cut this stuff out. Some here just want them kicked out.
Watching a Malaysian social worker telling Rishi Sunak she was asked to come here but then not paid enough to be allowed to bring her husband and child with her - and his response to tell her she should leave if she doesn’t like it - is at the heart of this.
Let’s just pay for the services we think are important - even if maybe it means a little less in our pockets. A) immigrants will feel more able to join in with society and B) we won’t need so many immigrants as vital roles will not be grossly underpaid.
This is the USA ...
A Stanford study reveals that first-generation immigrants have not been more likely to be imprisoned than people born in the United States since 1880.
Today, immigrants are 30 percent less likely to be incarcerated than are U.S.-born individuals who are white, the study finds. And when the analysis is expanded to include Black Americans — whose prison rates are higher than the general population — the likelihood of an immigrant being incarcerated is 60 percent lower than of people born in the United States.
So the 'Politics' thread is now discussing whether the colour of your skin is a likely indicator that you are going to be a rapist or criminal?
WTAF?
WTAF?