Off Topic Politics Thread

[StJabbo1]

Build them a new stadium?

A new stadium indeed and chairman of Southampton Football Club from 1996 to 2006 and then again from 2008 to 2009, when the company was placed into administration. He appointed Steve Wigney then replaced him with agent Redknapp who completed his mission. Clive Woodward was brought in and, after a year in the club, was made director of football. That was then. this now and he's one of a gang of four.

 

[Archers Road]

I am interested by the “Gaza” impact on the Labour vote. I know they lost at least one seat as a result but I think there were more

Surely this won’t be as big a factor next time around

My Twitter feed was flooded with people yesterday not voting Labour due to the “stance on Gaza”. And I found it utterly pathetic and depressing. Labour could do nothing about it in opposition and still can’t really do anything about that situation now. The U.K. is not powerful enough to make an impact and the sorts of people posting about this are quite likely to be the sorts of people who hated what it meant for the world when we did that power and sway (British Empire and all)

I note that lots of people further to the right were trying to scare out votes by saying a vote for Labour would be a “pro Muslim” vote. But that doesn’t seem to be true anymore. At least some Muslims have proven themselves to be prepared to ditch labour over one issue that they can’t really do anything about. Do these people who switched go back? Do Labour try to win them back?

I’m trying to not paint all Muslim voters as a monolithic block as that is (as I alluded to already) is what some reform supporters do. Do we actually get approx breakdowns like this in the U.K.? Will we really know how the Muslim vote is split?

I'm sure we'll see some thorough analyses of the data soon. But I share your initial reaction; it looks like Gaza had a huge effect on Labour. I suspect it was a factor in getting Jeremy Corbyn re-elected in Islington North, for instance. And it nearly cost Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips their seats. Both have been tipped as potential future leaders, so those near misses were seismic in their way.

And if anyone thinks Israel or Hamas were closely following the UK election, they're deluded. America could maybe force a cessation of hostilities there, Britain can't.

 

[greensaint]

Just seen that my area, Bournemouth West, has gone Red for the first time since 1931 if my research is correct (including boundary changes).

Quite remarkable, especially knowing the area and the people in it.

Like Tom, I normally do vote for the Tories, but for the first time I went with Labour. Time for a change for the better and maybe return some decorum back into politics after the antics of Boris & co.

I am truly cursed as far as voting goes.

Wherever I've lived since I left Southampton my vote has always felt wasted as they were nailed on Tory seats.
The New Forest, Chichester, North Dorset, Wimborne. All true blue, but I'd turn up to vote anyway just so I could moan during the next 5 yrs.

So bugger me I move to Wales into an area hotly contested, only for the boundary to be changed so it's another done deal.

To make it worse the likes of Chichester and Wimborne grew a pair to dump the self serving idiots in situ.

At least I can still moan for the next 5 yrs

 

[greensaint]

A new stadium indeed and chairman of Southampton Football Club from 1996 to 2006 and then again from 2008 to 2009, when the company was placed into administration. He appointed Steve Wigney then replaced him with agent Redknapp who completed his mission. Clive Woodward was brought in and, after a year in the club, was made director of football. That was then. this now and he's one of a gang of four.

He bought me a drink once though.
Well I thought he did, then I found out the bar was free, he did bring it over to me though.
Talked wonderful bollocks even back then (Strachan days, one of the fans forum thingys).

 

[Gregm1988]

I'm sure we'll see some thorough analyses of the data soon. But I share your initial reaction; it looks like Gaza had a huge effect on Labour. I suspect it was a factor in getting Jeremy Corbyn re-elected in Islington North, for instance. And it nearly cost Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips their seats. Both have been tipped as potential future leaders, so those near misses were seismic in their way.

And if anyone thinks Israel or Hamas were closely following the UK election, they're deluded. America could maybe force a cessation of hostilities there, Britain can't.

Shame about Phillips really. An awful person.

 

[shoot_spiderman]

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I actually don't think Cleverley is that bad. I mean he said himself Rwanda was batshit! It's a shame he won't go for party leadership due to his family commitments as he could probably unite the party in a centre-right ground.

Im in a good riddance to all of them mood at the mo. I’ll regain my ability for nuance on Tories again at some point

I do remember thinking Cleverley by name but not by nature at time’s previous, but can’t recall why

 

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There are some really salty Tory voters on social media. Probably the same ones who got so upset about "remoaners"!

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Well, no because historically I've voted Conservative. Just because I wanted the Tories out now it does not mean I have to like Labour taking power.

Dissent
Yellow Card

 

[shoot_spiderman]

4 Green MP’s is quite incredible too, and they won all their target seats. Beating Thangam Debbonaire in Bristol Central is a massive achievement for them.

Great name

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Youu

I am interested by the “Gaza” impact on the Labour vote. I know they lost at least one seat as a result but I think there were more

Surely this won’t be as big a factor next time around

My Twitter feed was flooded with people yesterday not voting Labour due to the “stance on Gaza”. And I found it utterly pathetic and depressing. Labour could do nothing about it in opposition and still can’t really do anything about that situation now. The U.K. is not powerful enough to make an impact and the sorts of people posting about this are quite likely to be the sorts of people who hated what it meant for the world when we did that power and sway (British Empire and all)

I note that lots of people further to the right were trying to scare out votes by saying a vote for Labour would be a “pro Muslim” vote. But that doesn’t seem to be true anymore. At least some Muslims have proven themselves to be prepared to ditch labour over one issue that they can’t really do anything about. Do these people who switched go back? Do Labour try to win them back?

I’m trying to not paint all Muslim voters as a monolithic block as that is (as I alluded to already) is what some reform supporters do. Do we actually get approx breakdowns like this in the U.K.? Will we really know how the Muslim vote is split?

You’ll possibly be able to see different swings in areas with a higher Muslim population

Apparently Labour are pro and anti-Islamic, and pro and anti-Semitic all at the same time

 

[shoot_spiderman]

I am truly cursed as far as voting goes.

Wherever I've lived since I left Southampton my vote has always felt wasted as they were nailed on Tory seats.
The New Forest, Chichester, North Dorset, Wimborne. All true blue, but I'd turn up to vote anyway just so I could moan during the next 5 yrs.

So bugger me I move to Wales into an area hotly contested, only for the boundary to be changed so it's another done deal.

To make it worse the likes of Chichester and Wimborne grew a pair to dump the self serving idiots in situ.

At least I can still moan for the next 5 yrs

You’re obvs part of the gentrification of Wales

 

[The Ides of March]

I registered for a postal vote in Fareham. Disappointed that Braverman won quite comfortably there but has always been a True Blue seat in its various guises (boundary changes). Would have loved her to lose to prevent her from standing for the party leadership.

 

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I think we do need to remember that many Labour supporters used tactical voting to ensure the Tories were voted out. This means you could probably add on half a million votes which were used tactically.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Enjoy a slice of euphoric Pie:

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[Number 1 Jasper]

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That was a really good speech

 

[tomw24]

That was a really good speech

It was but as they say, actions speak louder than words.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

It was but as they say, actions speak louder than words.

I think that was what Starmer said.

 

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It was but as they say, actions speak louder than words.

Genuinely, why put a but there? What can he do right now apart from tell the nation what he wants to achieve? He is telling all those tories, we are not an ideological beast. We are here to rebuild this nation. I am not a fan of the man, but you have to admire that speech and the precision of his agenda setting.

 

[tomw24]

Genuinely, why put a but there? What can he do right now apart from tell the nation what he wants to achieve? He is telling all those tories, we are not an ideological beast. We are here to rebuild this nation. I am not a fan of the man, but you have to admire that speech and the precision of his agenda setting.

I am perfectly allowed to be sceptical thank you. I don't trust any politician right now so forgive me if I don't take him at his word. I will judge him by his actions over the months to come.