Off Topic Politics Thread

[Osvaldorama]

That last line isn’t really helpful. Because I could just as easily say I want to Biden win to see the conservative freak out from all those with Biden Derangement Syndrome (a truly deranged condition where people believe he is a senile old man who is just a puppet and also a criminal mastermind in charge of a crime family).

Some of the attacks against Biden are just as wild as those against Trump. And some are just projection - notably the “crime family” one.

I’m also staggered by the American right wingers who blame Biden for inflation without spotting that it is high everywhere and higher here in the U.K.

Oz - monetary policy seems to be a special interest area of yours. I assume you are quick to jump into the comment section of all the right with X Accounts you follow and correct them about how inflation is worldwide and Biden isn’t to blame? Or is it only figures representing the “left” and the “mainstream media” that you pull out all the stops to criticise?

I’m not going to lie - trumps 2016 win generated some funny memes/gifs. The screaming woman in the street springs to mind. But I don’t think that’s a suitable trade off for what he’d bring in power - notably bowing down and kissing Putin’s shoes and letting him have free reign of Eastern Europe for as long as he remains alive and has sufficient Russian manpower

Someone from the FBI testified that Hunter Biden’s laptop is legit last week. So the ‘crime family’ moniker is fitting. Especially seeing as many media organisations and 3 letter agencies all told the public it was “Russian disinformation”.

I personally think that’s more serious than paying off a stripper decades ago, but there we are

 

[Osvaldorama]

But who stops him, though? If he executes the purge of the executive branch and military that they are promising, and stock the decision-making organs of government with his most loyal associates, what remains to serve as a guardrail? We know who said no to him previous, and we know that he won't make the mistake of having 'establishment' types near his administration again...he has said so, repeatedly.

I think people vastly overestimate how much braking power all of the checks and balances inherent in the institutions of government exercise, compared to how much of that braking power comes from the people who staff those institutions at the top. SCOTUS isn't a check; the justices of SCOTUS are, and if they are sufficiently Trumpy, they cease to be a brake at all. They also have zero power in a situation where a president simply ignores them...something that hasn't happened for over 150 years, but it has happened. There are no enforcement levers beyond a belief that the Supreme Court gets the final say on constitutional matters (something that is not actually explicitly stated in the Constitution). The military isn't a check; the career officers at the top are, and certainly were in 2020, but the president with 50 senators (and if he wins the presidency, he will have 50 senators) has broad powers to determine who leads each branch of the military. And the president chooses the attorney general and the head of the FBI, and in his past administration those appointees of his curbed his worst impulses. But they won't if he gets reelected and appoints Stephen Miller as AG, as he intends to.

There's this general public belief that democracies the nations of Western Europe and North America are too stable and entrenched to be toppled, but it's worth noting that the people who study comparative and transitional political science have been sounding the alarms on this for years now. Those institutions can fray very quickly unless the people in key positions hold them together, and Trump is going to pick people specifically to tear them apart at the seams.

You have it completely arse about face my friend. When trump was in he didn’t do anything like this.

This is exactly what the Biden regime has done.
Arrest their political opponents and stuff the senate with loyal supporters.

 

[San Tejón]

The Tory supporting magazine, The Spectator, has looked at the Tory spending plans and used the same methodology as was used to come up with the £2000 tax rise for Labour.
The result?
The Tory plans would add £3000 to everyone’s tax bill.
What a massive own goal by the Tories.

 

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Someone from the FBI testified that Hunter Biden’s laptop is legit last week. So the ‘crime family’ moniker is fitting. Especially seeing as many media organisations and 3 letter agencies all told the public it was “Russian disinformation”.

I personally think that’s more serious than paying off a stripper decades ago, but there we are

The contents of the laptop are the same as the files the state has had the whole time from Apple. That is what was said at the court. The contents of the laptop are being used as evidence against Hunter Biden.

Isn't that normal justice? If someone has evidence against someone - like a toilet full of secret files - then they charge them for it.

The "emails" on the drive are a lovely fairy tale. They are not what you want them to be though. If they do have evidence that Biden has done actual corrupt things, let's hope he is punished for it by the justice system...

However, your obsession with your perception of one man's corruption - and willingness to ignore another man's corruption... that is a genuine madness.

 

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You have it completely arse about face my friend. When trump was in he didn’t do anything like this.

This is exactly what the Biden regime has done.
Arrest their political opponents and stuff the senate with loyal supporters.

And here, ladies and gentleman, is evidence someone doesn't know how democracy works!

 

[San Tejón]

And, thanks to Brexit, members of the parachute regiment, who dropped into France for the D Day commemoration, had to take their passports with them.

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[Osvaldorama]

The contents of the laptop are the same as the files the state has had the whole time from Apple. That is what was said at the court. The contents of the laptop are being used as evidence against Hunter Biden.

Isn't that normal justice? If someone has evidence against someone - like a toilet full of secret files - then they charge them for it.

The "emails" on the drive are a lovely fairy tale. They are not what you want them to be though. If they do have evidence that Biden has done actual corrupt things, let's hope he is punished for it by the justice system...

However, your obsession with your perception of one man's corruption - and willingness to ignore another man's corruption... that is a genuine madness.

https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1798457753779990987?s=46

Here is a compilation of 20 minutes worth of propaganda telling the public it was fake and that the Trump campaign was making it up. Just before the election.

I think hiding the criminal actions of the family of someone running for office is despicable.

(And you guys would be absolutely frothing at the mouth if it was Trump’s son)

 

[Archers Road]

The Tory supporting magazine, The Spectator, has looked at the Tory spending plans and used the same methodology as was used to come up with the £2000 tax rise for Labour.
The result?
The Tory plans would add £3000 to everyone’s tax bill.
What a massive own goal by the Tories.

The Spectator has been highly critical of the Tories for some time now. Not sure if they’re angling for new readers, or following their old, one nation moderate conservative readers, as they recoil in horror from the nationalist right; but they aren’t really the Tory in house magazine at all any more.

 

[Osvaldorama]

And, thanks to Brexit, members of the parachute regiment, who dropped into France for the D Day commemoration, had to take their passports with them.

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Don’t get why there’s a fuss around this. We aren’t at war. Border checks are a good thing

 

[Archers Road]

https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1798457753779990987?s=46

Here is a compilation of 20 minutes worth of propaganda telling the public it was fake and that the Trump campaign was making it up. Just before the election.

I think hiding the criminal actions of the family of someone running for office is despicable.

(And you guys would be absolutely frothing at the mouth if it was Trump’s son)

That last sentence shows how deluded you are mate. Literally no one gives a damn about Trump’s appalling sons; at least until one of them runs for President.

 

[AberdeenSaint]

Don’t get why there’s a fuss around this. We aren’t at war. Border checks are a good thing

The irony of this situation regarding the effects of Brexit on mutual defence in Europe isn`t lost on me!

 

[StJabbo1]

https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1798457753779990987?s=46

Here is a compilation of 20 minutes worth of propaganda telling the public it was fake and that the Trump campaign was making it up. Just before the election.

I think hiding the criminal actions of the family of someone running for office is despicable.

(And you guys would be absolutely frothing at the mouth if it was Trump’s son)

KanekoaTheGreat is a QAnon promoter and has been promoted and praised by Steve Bannon and Dan Bongino among others

 

[Saints_Alive]

(And you guys would be absolutely frothing at the mouth if it was Trump’s son)

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[Osvaldorama]

That last sentence shows how deluded you are mate. Literally no one gives a damn about Trump’s appalling sons; at least until one of them runs for President.

Wrong. You guys can’t wait to laugh at or get one over trump at any opportunity. Read the last few pages.

 

[Osvaldorama]

KanekoaTheGreat is a QAnon promoter and has been promoted and praised by Steve Bannon and Dan Bongino among others

And yet the video he posted shows real clips that were broadcast to global Tv audiences. Funny that.

 

[Osvaldorama]

The irony of this situation regarding the effects of Brexit on mutual defence in Europe isn`t lost on me!

Yep. They have the audacity to check our veterans and yet at the same time are happy to let thousands of undocumented men rock up over here

 

[StJabbo1]

And yet the video he posted shows real clips that were broadcast to global Tv audiences. Funny that.

Cut and paste, edit to suit, anyone anyone who gives credence to the discredited bullshit this and other crackpot conspiraloons post is several slices short of a full loaf.

 

[StJabbo1]

And, thanks to Brexit, members of the parachute regiment, who dropped into France for the D Day commemoration, had to take their passports with them.

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So far as I know British citizens have never been able to travel to member states of the EU without a passport, even when the UK was a member. Now you still don’t need a visa, but you do still need a passport, and from sometime next year or the year after you'll also need ETIAS preclearance online. Now you can’t work, at all, without a work permit from the member state we’re in, nor can you stay for longer than 90 days in any 180. Happy to have permanent residence and enjoy seamless travel throughout Europe and parts of Scandinavia.

 

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https://x.com/kanekoathegreat/status/1798457753779990987?s=46

Here is a compilation of 20 minutes worth of propaganda telling the public it was fake and that the Trump campaign was making it up. Just before the election.

I think hiding the criminal actions of the family of someone running for office is despicable.

(And you guys would be absolutely frothing at the mouth if it was Trump’s son)

Have you actually watched that? Watch the first guy again. There is no denial about the content of the laptop. Absolutely none. He questions how the laptop came to be in the public domain - and suggests it suits Russia that this information is in the public domain - but categorically no attempt is made to deny that these emails exist.

Think about what you are saying:

"People said the laptop wasn't real. That is propaganda. That is "hiding the criminal actions of the family of someone running for office."

Then compare it what the people are saying on the video:

"We don't know if the laptop is real. It is possible Russians got these REAL emails illegally and planted them on the laptop."

So, the guy who is MAKING STUFF UP TO PROTECT BIDEN GRRRRR is not doing that at all. He simply questions where the information is really coming from.

I mean, you watched it and you know this. Do I have to transcribe the VERY FIRST PERSON on the video so you can see he isn't saying what you want him to be saying at all?

 

[EasyBreezer]

Not really sure what this means? I don’t back any of them.

I think reforms manifesto promises will lead to a better country. Problem is, no one sticks to their campaign promises.

It’s literally all bullshit

You are posting polls about reform performing close to the Tories and you like the manifesto, that is clear support for reform?

They can be completely unrealistic in their intentions as they have zero prospect of governing. Farage is an effective campaigner but would be a horrendous state leader.

Don't buy the 'they're all the same as each other narrarive', just effective propaganda from the overwhelmingly right wing print media to encourage the viewpoint everyone is as morally repugnant as Boris et al.

Plenty of politicians are serious, well intentioned people, including many Tories.

Labours plans for rail and getting Britain working all look fairly interesting. I agree that a stint of nationalisation is needed, the collective power of the Labour force has been eroded so significantly by privatisation and the decimation of trade unions.