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Trump has been getting away with legal accountability all of his life, the truth and justice is finally catching up with him.
He has been purposefully targeted by political persecution and a weaponised justice system to systemically change the result of an election.
Scam trial. Corrupt system. It should be obvious to anyone with even a modicum of common sense that this is a flagrant stain on democracy.
From the biased judge, to the corrupt trial, to the timing of the whole thing to coincide with the election.
Disgrace.
We really are poles apart with our opinions on this.
I really don't get how anybody can't see Trump for who he really is, it's in everything he says and does, a truly awful human being.
They can; they’re just wilfully deluded and down the conspiracy hole and/or attention-seeking contrarians.
So you have been through all the evidence and assessed it impartially without prior bias?
It's remarkable, truly. Os is perfectly willing to believe that Joe Biden committed a slew of crimes despite the Republicans investigating him failing to provide even a shred of a case, to the extent that they stopped trying to impeach him because it got embarrassing.
He is however unwilling to believe that Donald Trump has committed crimes despite rich documentary evidence including his damned signature on all the cheques, and the fact that the defense never disputed the facts, they just disputed why he did it. Except when his defense lawyer, perplexingly, stated in court that trying to influence an election isn't a crime...an odd choice because it absolutely is a crime to spend money outside the campaign finance system to influence an election.
He is however unwilling to believe that Donald Trump has committed crimes despite rich documentary evidence including his damned signature on all the cheques, and the fact that the defense never disputed the facts, they just disputed why he did it. Except when his defense lawyer, perplexingly, stated in court that trying to influence an election isn't a crime...an odd choice because it absolutely is a crime to spend money outside the campaign finance system to influence an election.
I really dont care about a Biden v trump debate right now. What I care about is the weaponisation of the justice system in the biggest country in the world. Whether you hate trump or not, the entire thing is a complete sham.
They didn’t even announce what he has been convicted of. The judge said the jury could say ‘guilty’ for a number of charges. It’s a complete travesty.
I’d be amazed if this doesn’t get overturned at the state/federal level.
But they have their headlines now.
They didn’t even announce what he has been convicted of. The judge said the jury could say ‘guilty’ for a number of charges. It’s a complete travesty.
I’d be amazed if this doesn’t get overturned at the state/federal level.
But they have their headlines now.
Here you go, mate. Not very hard to find the 34 charges.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/.../donald-trump-charges-34-counts-b2554186.html
That's standard when there are a lot of counts. It's not a travesty, it's so that they don't have to spend 45 minutes repeating everything. The form that the jury fills out has the longform descriptions.
In this case, he was found guilty of 34 discrete instances of falsifying business accounts. Which he did. Which his former lawyer, former press secretary and a slew of others testified that he did. Where there are signed documents in his name -- that the defense did not dispute -- indicating that he did.
As of this morning, I could get 1.8-1 on Trump to win, or 2.2-1 on Biden. Guessing it's a coin flip or worse for Trump as of tomorrow. If nothing else, the 3.1-1 I got on Biden three months ago means that I can arbitrage it and guarantee myself a couple hundred profit, heh.
The standard activities of an average president on a daily basis are more morally reprehensible than any of these charges.
Send billions of dollars in weapons to murderous regimes around the world? Whatever. Bomb school children? Whatever. Cover up Epstein’s Island? Fine.
Pay off a stripper?
THAT deserves the utmost condemnation!!!
Those charges are complete BS and the timing is designed to stop Trump winning the election. I am sure deep down you can see this.
Pay off an adult film star to silence any claims and therefore influence the election by burying any adverse publicity. Then put it down as legal fees rather than put it through the books as what it was.
I think that was what he has been convicted of?
I think that was what he has been convicted of?
Yeah. They used company money to buy Stormy Daniels' silence, and faked a whole bunch of invoices (with Trump's signature) to cover their tracks. You can't do that. Paying personal expenses via falsified company documents is plenty illegal to begin with; my father was an accountant who worked with small businesses, and he has a number of fun stories about people doing that.
What elevates it from a misdemeanor to a felony is that Trump was falsifying documents in order to further another criminal scheme: subverting campaign finance laws. A whole bunch of Trump's inner circle testified that was precisely the goal of the falsification, and the jury agreed...pretty quickly too, I might add, which suggests this wasn't a close call.
Here’s Paula Jones publicly accepting her hush money from Bill Clinton btw:
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Biden is at Putin levels of weaponising the justice system.
I realize that nothing will penetrate your belief, but: Biden has absolutely zero influence over the state-level justice systems. None whatsoever. This was a case brought by the Attorney General of the state of New York.
Also, not that it's in any way relevant to this situation, but Paula Jones was absolutely not paid hush money, a thing that should be obvious given that she has been talking about it for decades now.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-posts-claim-bill-130000737.html
Though as the article notes, Trump wasn't charged with paying hush money to the porn star he cheated on his wife with. He was charged with falsifying business records to lie, on legally-sworn documents, about the hush money he paid to the porn star he cheated on his wife with.
He was charged with a misdemeanour. Which they then told the jury to make up (one of 3) crimes to pretend he had committed.
Scam trial. Weaponised justice system.
If you believe Biden had no influence on this then you’re even dumber than I thought. The judge literally donated to Biden campaign LOL
All I can think about is the USSR and how I used to find it incomprehensible how political censorship and discourse was so obviously corrupt. I used to wonder how it happened that there was no rule of law, only the rule of the state. Now I fully understand it
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He's a criminal. The evidence was, if not overwhelming, convincing. 12 people found him guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. BOTH sides selected the jurors.