Much easier to have a sense of collective responsibility if you likely have a good bit of space between you. Population density in both countries much, much lower than the UK.
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I have no idea how you could possibly think I would have any any excuses for brexiteer Jeremy Corbyn being the good European that I am, as well as an avid supporter of PR which distances me from the parliamentary Labour party. Completely beyond me unless it's a poor attempt at deliberately misconstruing my posts.I see Jezzer is going to stand in the GE against the Labour candidate. I was wondering if you now think he was a terrorist sympathiser after all. You know, like he would have been all along if he had been a Conservative.
More importantly, a man who was not just a Labour MP but the party leader and loved from Islington to Glastonbury is standing against Labour. It must be putting the "Oh Jeremy Corbyn
UTS.
He's standing against all the other candidates, not just against Labour, he is standing for himself to represent his constituents.I see Jezzer is going to stand in the GE against the Labour candidate. I was wondering if you now think he was a terrorist sympathiser after all. You know, like he would have been all along if he had been a Conservative.
More importantly, a man who was not just a Labour MP but the party leader and loved from Islington to Glastonbury is standing against Labour. It must be putting the "
Oh look, Angela Rayner faces no further action on the tax and housing issues, either from Greater Manchester Police, Stockport Council, or HMRC. A campaign to stir the **** against her has achieved nothing apart from wasting a great deal of public money.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69063295
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69063295
Not to mention police time and resources which could have been put to much better use.
The opposition parties don't need to campaign. Every utterance from the increasingly incompetent incumbents drops their standing.
Should be arresting James Daly for wasting police time.
On the topic of **** campaigning, the Conservatives have also started trialing ‘Sleepy Keir’ because they obviously don’t know which country they are campaigning in.
Also they goaded Starmer over tv debates and now they have two one on one debates agreed between Sunak and Starmer, in what universe do they feel confident about that one?
Not all boomers are the same
I’m a boomer and so are a lot of my friends and we understand how lucky we were
You don’t notice how hard you’re working so much when you’re getting rewarded. You do when you’re getting shafted
Let’s not pre-judge the next govt. They have to acknowledge the zeitgeist which requires an element of populism during the election to avoid loony left headlines from the right wing media
I’d not heard of this before, but yes Starmer has to stay central to be electable and needs to shift when in government
It needs to be managed well to carry popular opinion with it and that requires people seeing improvement
Indeed
A working democracy demands buy in from the voters and to not cover it in a practical way in education is madness
People need to understand that politicians aren’t ‘all the same’ and that it’s their job to decide which are the good ones and which aren’t, vote on that basis, judge them on their actions and support or replace them the next time based on that
The ‘all politicians are #%^*+ (insert insult here)’ shtick is a con to undermine the imperfect yet best system we currently have to manage ourselves
Apparently all politicians are fantastic in Russia
Christ Labour do like to shoot themselves in the foot don't they? The way they've handed this Diane Abbott stuff is nothing short of a debacle.
Spot in. Compared to every other period in history my generation was blessed, and it really annoys me when some of my contemporaries can’t see it. Okay, we had no central heating or double glazing and sometimes our clothes had holes in them, but we had no wars to fight, and the near universal conviction that things were going to go on getting better. Hard work payed off, and public services actually served the public. Unfortunately that is no longer true for a lot of young people, who may end up having to fight again for the rights our grandparents thought they’d gained for successive generations.
I don't think so, sadly. Labour want all those right-leaning votes. This nation has historically voted with a lean to the right in 90% of elections so it is a sound tactic. Right leaners all hate Diane Abbot (wonder why?). The people who support Diane Abbot are all desperate to get rid of the Tories anyway.
A no lose tactic here. Except loss of integrity - but Starmer doesn't have much of that anyway.
Ticket touts had secret plans to undermine Labour’s proposals to prevent touts from hoovering up tickets for events
The touts organisation doing this is, and this is classic 1984 Doublespeak, CTF, the Coalition for Ticket Fairness
The touts organisation doing this is, and this is classic 1984 Doublespeak, CTF, the Coalition for Ticket Fairness
You can’t deny it’s been badly handled though, which was Tom’s point I think. Either rehabilitate her completely, or expel her. Either of which could have been done months ago, by the sounds of it.
I do agree. I just don't think it makes any difference. And Labour has decided Abbott is a liability. Because Labour has no balls and tries to appease our press rather than push back against some of its nonsense,
All I am hoping for from this Labour government is Tory Light with competence.
I agree, I doubt it makes much difference but the Tories will grab onto anything and ram it down the public's throats. I just think it creates unnecessary negative headlines.
I've just booked the 5th July off as I do like GE night and watching the results come in.
I politically hate Abbot because of her stance on Russia/Ukraine and Assad and because she’s said some pretty racist things in the past.
I don’t disagree with her politics but that doesn’t make me hate her, while the things above do.
It’s baffling that Labour didn’t just let her bow out with dignity unless they are very clearly saying they don’t want the left vote but would prefer the centre right vote. All a bit odd.