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It's Only A Game said:
Do Jews have a part in the multi-cultural society you mention or are they still authentic targets like you spouted last time? This post is full of the usual ramblings of the looney far left. Naive at best but going on your previous record it suggests a more sinister motive at work. Not unexpected from you but more of a concern is the number of likes it got.
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Thank you for your response.

I think the election result last night in Rochdale is demonstrative of where the public stand on a lot of things and particularly with what is happening in Gaza. What is going on in Gaza is genocide and I feel that our mainstream politicians have been shambolic in reacting to Israel regarding this matter. I am struggling to understand what is happening in this country where we have had our political leaders who initially condone Israel's actions and only make some kind of statement that a ceasefire is necessary when 30,000 civilians have been killed. In 1939 we stood against this kind of tyranny .

I am not a fan of George Galloway who is a sensationalist and opportunist but the election swing underscores for me that the ordinary man in the street does have some decency. It should not be necessary for someone like Galloway to be unique in making our foreign policy part of an English election campaign. It is embarrassing when I go to Qatar where people assume I support Israel because of the position taken by both the government and the opposition. Ido not know how I can explain last week's debacle in parliament when Gaza was discussed and only the SNP ended up coming out with any credibility. The efforts of a small country like Qatar to solve the crisis goes well beyond the endeavours made by the UK.

To reply to your comment, if you step away from the pages of the Daily Mail or divert your attention from GB News and read my posts, I think you will find that it is the likes of Anderson, Tyce, Farage, etc who are out of step with how the majority of people feel. I cannot accept that these parties represent some sort of national consensus as most people find their views abhorent or cranky at best. I concur that Jewish view need to be heard but lets not forget we are a democracy and the voice from British muslims is one that comes from a much larger demographic. Their views have historically backed Labour with little real benefit or relevance to their lives. A number of Labour politicians have wisely pointed these things out and I feel that there is probably little else that could be considered more "British" than sticking up for the underdog. That is why I feel very angry about the way these protests have been policed and the fact that the govt is talking about making the democratic right to protest more difficult. In a nutshell, when these Right wing headbangers make statements about too many "non-white" people or suggest that the right to protest should be clamped down, they do not represent what the people of this country are like for the most part. The people protesting each weekend in London about Gaza are the ones who really understand "British values" whereas the politicians I have mentioned owe more to Oswald Mosely. We defeated Mosely in the past and we will fight and defeat his heirs in 2024. I am not part of an "Loony Left" but , if you know your history, we are a country whose progress through the centuries has been toward liberation and radicalism. The "drift" of national consensus has always been towards increasingly giving more people the franchise and ironing out injustices. That is what it means to be British. Letting another country slaughter women and children is not a British value and giving a voice to those on the Right such as Liz Truss who has given tacit support to Tommy Johnson is indicative to me as to why this must all stop. The views of the Right in this country are demonstrably wrong and clearly "un-British."
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
Thank you for your response.

I think the election result last night in Rochdale is demonstrative of where the public stand on a lot of things and particularly with what is happening in Gaza. What is going on in Gaza is genocide and I feel that our mainstream politicians have been shambolic in reacting to Israel regarding this matter. I am struggling to understand what is happening in this country where we have had our political leaders who initially condone Israel's actions and only make some kind of statement that a ceasefire is necessary when 30,000 civilians have been killed. In 1939 we stood against this kind of tyranny .

I am not a fan of George Galloway who is a sensationalist and opportunist but the election swing underscores for me that the ordinary man in the street does have some decency. It should not be necessary for someone like Galloway to be unique in making our foreign policy part of an English election campaign. It is embarrassing when I go to Qatar where people assume I support Israel because of the position taken by both the government and the opposition. Ido not know how I can explain last week's debacle in parliament when Gaza was discussed and only the SNP ended up coming out with any credibility. The efforts of a small country like Qatar to solve the crisis goes well beyond the endeavours made by the UK.

To reply to your comment, if you step away from the pages of the Daily Mail or divert your attention from GB News and read my posts, I think you will find that it is the likes of Anderson, Tyce, Farage, etc who are out of step with how the majority of people feel. I cannot accept that these parties represent some sort of national consensus as most people find their views abhorent or cranky at best. I concur that Jewish view need to be heard but lets not forget we are a democracy and the voice from British muslims is one that comes from a much larger demographic. Their views have historically backed Labour with little real benefit or relevance to their lives. A number of Labour politicians have wisely pointed these things out and I feel that there is probably little else that could be considered more "British" than sticking up for the underdog. That is why I feel very angry about the way these protests have been policed and the fact that the govt is talking about making the democratic right to protest more difficult. In a nutshell, when these Right wing headbangers make statements about too many "non-white" people or suggest that the right to protest should be clamped down, they do not represent what the people of this country are like for the most part. The people protesting each weekend in London about Gaza are the ones who really understand "British values" whereas the politicians I have mentioned owe more to Oswald Mosely. We defeated Mosely in the past and we will fight and defeat his heirs in 2024. I am not part of an "Loony Left" but , if you know your history, we are a country whose progress through the centuries has been toward liberation and radicalism. The "drift" of national consensus has always been towards increasingly giving more people the franchise and ironing out injustices. That is what it means to be British. Letting another country slaughter women and children is not a British value and giving a voice to those on the Right such as Liz Truss who has given tacit support to Tommy Johnson is indicative to me as to why this must all stop. The views of the Right in this country are demonstrably wrong and clearly "un-British."
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Alternative to the alt-right
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/implosion-can-politics-be-rescued-from-the-alt-right/
 
Ian Thumwood said:
I have to say that Lee Anderson always seesm to have acted as if he was in Reform!

His comments about Khan are completely out of order and have no basis on any fact whatso ever. I just find these kinds of politicians to be dangerous and feel that the likes of Anderson have no role in contemporary politics. Unfortunately, there are now so many of them and they get a lot of coverage in places like GB News or the Daily Express. They acheive nothing except whipping up hatred. There is a whole raft of politicians such as Farage, Anderson, Rees-Mogg and Truss who are dangerous. I appreciate that the likes of Galloway on the Left are equally ridiculous but I feel that these Right Wing politicians are getting traction in the media and with the public where they have no right to.

It is an interesting situation and contrasts with the late 1970s where politicians like Anderson would be confronted by the likes of the Anti-Nazi League. This is not happening now. It feels like the ideas that were ultimately proved to be offensive and racist that people thought had been irradicated in the 80s and 90s have returned but in a fashion which is even more ridiculous. I cannot believe that there are some who have defended these people and see them as "champions" against Woke.

I would like to be controversial and twist Anderson's comments about the influence of radical Islam on Khan. I hate the idea that the likes of Anderson only perceive a white vision of Britain and that anyone who deviates from this concept is wrong. I often go to Qatar and think that there are elements in Islamic society which are far more respectful than in Western society. Listening to Anderson I was thinking about what would happen if the UK adopted some of the principles from Islam where they would genuinely be to the benefit of society. Would this necessarily be a bad thing ? There is a trope that Islam is somehow negative in relation to "British values" yet the likes of Anderson being able to have a credible career on politics let alone having had both Johnson and Truss as Prime Ministers is demonstrative in my eyes that these people are far less worthy of representing the UK than Mr Khan. The fact that Islam is the second most practised religion in the UK after catholicism (and will quickly over take RC) suggests to me that Anderson is clearly trying to take the canoe in the wrong direction against the current. We are a mult-cultural society but forget that the kind of politics the like of Anderson espose are not "traditional , British values" nor something that is worthwhile spending any time whistfully wishing for their return. You cannot try to make a case the re-balancing the politics of this country involves silencing a significant proportion of the population and one, who in recent weeks with the protests against Israel, have shown themselves to have been ignored by the main political parties even when the case is so morally persuasive.

For me, it is the likes of Anderson who are so wrong and have no place in 21st Century society. We need a politics for everyone and not one which reflects the Imperialst values of 70 years ago.
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Can you please reveal your sinister motives?
Are Milton, Ides, Schrodinger, Chilcs & All_Saints in on your sinister motives?
Is this a sinister, secret cabal?

Time to come clean
 
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saintrichie123 said:
Firstly I blame Guly, and then all the woke people that read the Sun, Mail, Express and form their opinion on biased right wing media nonsense that they digest.
Then if in doubt blame the world’s problems on Muslims and immigration.
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That's missing the lefty lawyers, striking barristers, enemy of the people judges, Gordon Brown, Jeremy Corbyn and Mick Lynch.
 
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StJabbo1 said:
Nah not me that's Os, wake up.
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Why are you so obsessed with me? It’s a bit weird

FWIW I disagree with George galloway’s politics massively. But if I lived in Rochdale I probably would have voted for him too - if only to watch him destroy the establishment politicians and their journalist stooges.

He’s eloquent, he doesn’t lie or pander to the political elite and most importantly - he actually seems to care about the people in his electorate and Britain, rather than just using the country as a cash cow.
 
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saintrichie123 said:
Whenever he had to choose an example of an extremist, he went with Palestinian peace marchers rather than some of the hate peddlers on his own benches……he is not fit to be PM.
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It’s absurd. The Tories couldn’t be more out of touch.

Do they really think that anyone in the country except their Zionist backers want more bloodshed, more money spent on bombs, more global instability?

Conservatives are supposed to be the party that’s best for business.. how does wasting our tax money on globalist bombing campaigns help anyone?

The government should be pursuing peace, not pouring petrol on the fire. They’re a disgrace.

Only good thing is absolutely noone is buying their propaganda anymore. All they’re doing is alienating the left and the right.
 
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With the budget approaching it was interesting to see that 2 recent polls showed that a decent majority of people were against tax cuts and for taxes either staying the same or increasing, if it meant that more public services would be protected and/or improved.
 
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