Off Topic Politics Thread

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saintrichie123 said:
Didn’t anyone see this coming? <whistle>
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Gregm1988 said:
Food is already expensive enough. I heard there might be attempts to delay this due to the election.
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Links in the Sky article worth a read.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-n...-worse-off-by-2035-due-to-leaving-eu-13046256
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-car-p...warns-of-looming-brexit-rules-threat-12992409

It's been reported on over here in the Netherlands as has other brexit absurdities.

The above and this from the Guardian re trade deals a good read for the one or two Nexiteers I know.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...deals-whats-been-agreed-what-could-still-come
Also reported in the Independent for those who baulk at reading the woke lefty rag.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-canada-trade-deal-collapses-b2485297.html

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the regulations were delayed beyond the election leaving more **** to be sorted when the corrupt incompetent incumbents are trashed.
 
StJabbo1 said:
Links in the Sky article worth a read.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-n...-worse-off-by-2035-due-to-leaving-eu-13046256
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-car-p...warns-of-looming-brexit-rules-threat-12992409

It's been reported on over here in the Netherlands as has other brexit absurdities.

The above and this from the Guardian re trade deals a good read for the one or two Nexiteers I know.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...deals-whats-been-agreed-what-could-still-come
Also reported in the Independent for those who baulk at reading the woke lefty rag.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-canada-trade-deal-collapses-b2485297.html

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the regulations were delayed beyond the election leaving more **** to be sorted when the corrupt incompetent incumbents are trashed.
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There’s going to be one almighty mess to clear up, that’s for sure.
 
Saintjoey said:
Sorry this is a total lie.

they apologised because Belle Donati suggested there was… and I actually quote, “voluntary relocation” of Jews during the holocaust. It doesn’t get more antisemitic than that.

I really hope you’re posting ignorantly rather than having listened to the interview and still posted this.
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It’s a completely fair question to ask in my opinion.
When a country is acting like Israel are they
deserve to be faced with these kinds of questions.

They have gone way beyond defending themselves at this point. I dislike the way they are trying to hide their behaviour by calling anyone that asks difficult questions “anti-Semitic”.
 
Osvaldorama said:
It’s a completely fair question to ask in my opinion.
When a country is acting like Israel are they
deserve to be faced with these kinds of questions.

They have gone way beyond defending themselves at this point. I dislike the way they are trying to hide their behaviour by calling anyone that asks difficult questions “anti-Semitic”.
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Your statement may well be fair, of course they have a case to answer.
But sky were absolutely right to apologise for suggesting the holocaust involved voluntary Jewish relocation. Surely you can that’s holocaust revisionism and belittling which is blatantly anti semitic?

There are lots of legit ways of criticising Israel but that’s not one of them
 
Saintjoey said:
Your statement may well be fair, of course they have a case to answer.
But sky were absolutely right to apologise for suggesting the holocaust involved voluntary Jewish relocation. Surely you can that’s holocaust revisionism and belittling which is blatantly anti semitic?

There are lots of legit ways of criticising Israel but that’s not one of them
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I saw the interview and she was basically comparing the way Palestinians are being forced out of their homes, to the horrendous treatment of Jews in the Holocaust.

Her point was that “voluntary relocation” is in itself a horrific term for Israel to be using.

I think these are fair questions personally. At least that’s what I took her to mean.

Also, unless my history lessons deceived me, the Nazi’s did start with voluntary relocation of the Jews. As I understand it the treatment got worse and worse over time, but began with words and moving them to ghettos, not violence.
 
Osvaldorama said:
I saw the interview and she was basically comparing the way Palestinians are being forced out of their homes, to the horrendous treatment of Jews in the Holocaust.

Her point was that “voluntary relocation” is in itself a horrific term for Israel to be using.

I think these are fair questions personally. At least that’s what I took her to mean.

Also, unless my history lessons deceived me, the Nazi’s did start with voluntary relocation of the Jews. As I understand it the treatment got worse and worse over time, but began with words and moving them to ghettos, not violence.
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Jews being moved into ghettos happened all around Europe and was based solely around race. It started happening in 1939 and moved very quickly to widespread murder. They also had all of their belongings seized and many WERE killed at that time. They were dehumanised in the media and in all public spaces, just as Jews are in textbooks in Gazan schools and throughout their education.

This is a war. It’s tragic and displacement is always horrific and should be condemned. But Israel isn’t looking to exterminate Muslims around the world, they’re trying to eliminate an organisation sworn to their destruction who embed themselves in a civilian population.

Criticise Israel all you want, many Jews and Israelis are. But holocaust revisionism and trivial comparisons are anti semitic and always will be until something comparable happens again.
 
The UK have now followed US, Switzerland, Canada and Aus in defunding UNRWA.

I genuinely hope this can be the start of an actual formation of a peace keeping force that promotes peace. Ideally led by UAE or similar.
 
Saintjoey said:
Jews being moved into ghettos happened all around Europe and was based solely around race. It started happening in 1939 and moved very quickly to widespread murder. They also had all of their belongings seized and many WERE killed at that time. They were dehumanised in the media and in all public spaces, just as Jews are in textbooks in Gazan schools and throughout their education.

This is a war. It’s tragic and displacement is always horrific and should be condemned. But Israel isn’t looking to exterminate Muslims around the world, they’re trying to eliminate an organisation sworn to their destruction who embed themselves in a civilian population.

Criticise Israel all you want, many Jews and Israelis are. But holocaust revisionism and trivial comparisons are anti semitic and always will be until something comparable happens again.
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I think this is mostly semantics and there is easily a comparison, however tentative, between what is happening in Palestine right now and what happened to Jews back then. (Murdering of civilians, targetting of hospitals, indiscriminate killing.)
Journalists should be fully entitled to ask such a question. It’s important to hold politicians feet to the fire and stop the bloodshed where possible.

Certainly sky shouldn’t apologise or punish the journalist imo.
 
Saints_Alive said:
Heard a good line about Trump who recently hoped that a stockmarket crash comes before the election and not after because he "doesn't want to be Herbert Hoover".
One political wag said he's not Herbert Hoover, he is "pervert" Hoover!
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Is this just assuming there will be one? Surely he should be hoping for no crashes? Unless he is no longer invested in stocks. But I guess he stands to make far more from becoming president again and a crash would almost guarantee that
 
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