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Me? Trump? :D :D :D :D

How many times do I mention him? Once?

I was far more interested in following your wild digressions. That was the sport!

I will give you a point of credit on Trump. All the headlines included Trump this morning - and then by about 10 am they had mostly removed his name. The BBC being one such. I still think you posted it initially because of what you felt it said about the left. But, I now kind of agree that you were ok to leave Trump off the list.

Thanks. This is as close to an apology as I’ll get on here, I’m sure. Despite all the insults.

I was very careful in my original post. If trump was further implicated I would have put him on there.

Other former presidents, however WERE directly implicated:

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As far back as the early 2010’s, Bill Clinton called people “right wing red necks” when he was heckled and called a rapist.

It’s a very deliberate tactic. He wants his crimes to be associated with right wing politics.
 
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Thanks. This is as close to an apology as I’ll get on here, I’m sure. Despite all the insults.

I was very careful in my original post. If trump was further implicated I would have put him on there.

Other former presidents, however WERE directly implicated:

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As far back as the early 2010’s, Bill Clinton called people “right wing red necks” when he was heckled and called a rapist.

It’s a very deliberate tactic. He wants his crimes to be associated with right wing politics.
I notice I haven’t had one back about your Trump nonsense!
 
I see the only age group where the Conservatives lead in polls is with the over 65s. That is because the thick bastards tend to read the Mail, Express and Sun.

Not in this house though. I will know that I have finally lost my marbles the day I vote Tory.
I don't think I'd call them thick bastards, deluded and gullible suits especially those that soak up the Rishi rich and not very Cleverly's lying spin on immigration.
 
I see the only age group where the Conservatives lead in polls is with the over 65s. That is because the thick bastards tend to read the Mail, Express and Sun.

Not in this house though. I will know that I have finally lost my marbles the day I vote Tory.
Boomers.
I am from this generation, but happily I am not and have never been a Tory voter.
Hopefully, once this generation is gone, the country might become more tolerant and supportive of equality, but much will depend on whether or not they have infected their gene pool.
 
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I see the only age group where the Conservatives lead in polls is with the over 65s. That is because the thick bastards tend to read the Mail, Express and Sun.

Not in this house though. I will know that I have finally lost my marbles the day I vote Tory.

What has happened, reasonably recently, is the proliferation of news feeds, other than mainstream newspapers. This doesn't make 'non-newspaper' information any more accurate and balanced, but there are now many more sources to choose from. Newspapers swaying most of the electorate is, I believe, a thing of the past.
 
What has happened, reasonably recently, is the proliferation of news feeds, other than mainstream newspapers. This doesn't make 'non-newspaper' information any more accurate and balanced, but there are now many more sources to choose from. Newspapers swaying most of the electorate is, I believe, a thing of the past.
Very true but I would be surprised if the majority of boomers didn’t still rely on their daily paper for information, simply because they have grown up with them being part of their lives, and as such, I think they do still have a big influence on the electorate of a certain age.
Just a poll of my siblings tells me that 6 of them that still read newspapers, albeit online, read the Express or Mail and vote conservative.
My other brother and I are Mirror readers and vote Labour, although I also check out other online media outlets.
 
Very true but I would be surprised if the majority of boomers didn’t still rely on their daily paper for information, simply because they have grown up with them being part of their lives, and as such, I think they do still have a big influence on the electorate of a certain age.
Just a poll of my siblings tells me that 6 of them that still read newspapers, albeit online, read the Express or Mail and vote conservative.
My other brother and I are Mirror readers and vote Labour, although I also check out other online media outlets.
Eeeek! :eek:
I guess you have to keep it light at family reunions :D
 
Very true but I would be surprised if the majority of boomers didn’t still rely on their daily paper for information, simply because they have grown up with them being part of their lives, and as such, I think they do still have a big influence on the electorate of a certain age.
Just a poll of my siblings tells me that 6 of them that still read newspapers, albeit online, read the Express or Mail and vote conservative.
My other brother and I are Mirror readers and vote Labour, although I also check out other online media outlets.
The Express supports Farage .. UKIP.et al!!
 
So Vennells is handing back her CBE. This issue further highlights the farce that is the honours system. in 2019, the Post Office scandal was well known about, so who thought it was a good idea to give her a gong ?. It really boils my piss! And shame on her for accepting it, knowing the ****-show that has been ongoing.
 
So Vennells is handing back her CBE. This issue further highlights the farce that is the honours system. in 2019, the Post Office scandal was well known about, so who thought it was a good idea to give her a gong ?. It really boils my piss! And shame on her for accepting it, knowing the ****-show that has been ongoing.
Good. Perhaps now the shareholders who accepted dividends during this period can pay the money back, to go towards compensation.
 
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I see the only age group where the Conservatives lead in polls is with the over 65s. That is because the thick bastards tend to read the Mail, Express and Sun.

Not in this house though. I will know that I have finally lost my marbles the day I vote Tory.

What nonsense. These same thick bastards would have been voting for 13 years of labour government in their lifetimes.

Selecting Jeremy Corbyn as leader is the main reason for a Tory government.
Stop blaming voters!
 
What nonsense. These same thick bastards would have been voting for 13 years of labour government in their lifetimes.

Selecting Jeremy Corbyn as leader is the main reason for a Tory government.
Stop blaming voters!
Why is it nonsense that he would never vote Tory. I wouldn’t either. They are totally the opposite of my politics - and they have no political dignity or gravitas. Once I disliked tories but could vaguely respect them. Now they are a different party. All Brexit party candidates in borrowed clothes.

And the over 65 thing is purely a fact.
 
How does Fujitsu have so much power over the governments (Labour and Tory)?


Fujitsu provides IT services to government departments including the Home Office, Foreign Office, Defra and the Ministry of Defence.

Contracts include the Police National Computer, the Government’s flood warning system and the national emergency alerts system launched last year.
In August, the Mirror revealed Fujitsu had been handed a £1m contract to provide computer services for HS2.


In 2002, Fujitsu was one of the lead contractors on the NHS’s Programme for IT to digitise records.
But the scheme failed at a cost of at least £10billion to the taxpayer, according to the National Audit Office.
In 2011 the contract was terminated, with the NHS claiming the systems did not work.
The company then sued the Government for £700million.
A clause in its deal meant that disagreements went to the London Court of International Arbritation, a privately run arbitrator.
Accounts suggest the firm got all but £71m of its claim.


In 2015 Fujitsu won a five-year deal worth over £550million to modernise MoD telecoms called ModNet Evolve, one of two contracts that would “bring savings of £1billion which will be directly reinvested by the MoD in defence capability”.
Four years later the system was £210m over budget and two years behind schedule, while a report warned “cost and time overruns could well worsen”. The problems the contract was meant to resolve have still not been eliminated, with a Public Accounts Committee report last year assessing the system as “unachievable”.


In 2019, Fujitsu took the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to the High Court because the FCO awarded a £350million IT outsourcing contract to its rival, Vodafone.
The four-year ECHO 1 deal was to supply voice and data services to 550 embassies and other British government posts in 170 countries.
Fujitsu also wanted “damages reflecting the loss of profit”, “wasted bid costs”, interest on damages and costs the court awarded plus a court order to oust Vodafone. Fujitsu won.
The FCO cancelled Vodafone’s deal and gave one to Fujitsu in 2021.


In 1998, the Government signed a contract with ICL/Fujitsu for a new IT system to streamline more than 300 magistrates courts.
The 10-year deal was worth £146million but the firm was unable to deliver a system that operated properly. An independent review in February 2002 found Fujitsu had made “too many mistakes”, including a poor analysis of requirements and unrealistic cost estimates. It also noted frequent personnel changes.
But Fujitsu demanded even more money and threatened to withdraw from the project.
The firm ended up being given a new government contract for £390m over eight years, for doing less than the original scheme and no longer even delivering the core software.
 
How does Fujitsu have so much power over the governments (Labour and Tory)?


Fujitsu provides IT services to government departments including the Home Office, Foreign Office, Defra and the Ministry of Defence.

Contracts include the Police National Computer, the Government’s flood warning system and the national emergency alerts system launched last year.
In August, the Mirror revealed Fujitsu had been handed a £1m contract to provide computer services for HS2.


In 2002, Fujitsu was one of the lead contractors on the NHS’s Programme for IT to digitise records.
But the scheme failed at a cost of at least £10billion to the taxpayer, according to the National Audit Office.
In 2011 the contract was terminated, with the NHS claiming the systems did not work.
The company then sued the Government for £700million.
A clause in its deal meant that disagreements went to the London Court of International Arbritation, a privately run arbitrator.
Accounts suggest the firm got all but £71m of its claim.


In 2015 Fujitsu won a five-year deal worth over £550million to modernise MoD telecoms called ModNet Evolve, one of two contracts that would “bring savings of £1billion which will be directly reinvested by the MoD in defence capability”.
Four years later the system was £210m over budget and two years behind schedule, while a report warned “cost and time overruns could well worsen”. The problems the contract was meant to resolve have still not been eliminated, with a Public Accounts Committee report last year assessing the system as “unachievable”.


In 2019, Fujitsu took the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to the High Court because the FCO awarded a £350million IT outsourcing contract to its rival, Vodafone.
The four-year ECHO 1 deal was to supply voice and data services to 550 embassies and other British government posts in 170 countries.
Fujitsu also wanted “damages reflecting the loss of profit”, “wasted bid costs”, interest on damages and costs the court awarded plus a court order to oust Vodafone. Fujitsu won.
The FCO cancelled Vodafone’s deal and gave one to Fujitsu in 2021.


In 1998, the Government signed a contract with ICL/Fujitsu for a new IT system to streamline more than 300 magistrates courts.
The 10-year deal was worth £146million but the firm was unable to deliver a system that operated properly. An independent review in February 2002 found Fujitsu had made “too many mistakes”, including a poor analysis of requirements and unrealistic cost estimates. It also noted frequent personnel changes.
But Fujitsu demanded even more money and threatened to withdraw from the project.
The firm ended up being given a new government contract for £390m over eight years, for doing less than the original scheme and no longer even delivering the core software.

I get 100% what you are saying.

However, though I have never worked for Fujitsu, I do have a bit of insight of IT companies and the Government (Labour & Conservative). The problem is that the systems they propose, design and implement would work (and do) in the private sector. There is so much red tape, and frankly procrastination within the government departments, that things never get done and also when they do, they are often so different from what the IT company originally designed (due to Govt management) that they are quite often not fit for purpose. Governments think that 'throw money at it' and it will work. Not always the case.

However, the above is appalling that the SAME company can rinse the government over and over. It really is money for nothing.
 
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