Off Topic Politics Thread

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I think it’s very easy to go soft on people and blame their upbringings and surroundings.

But I also look at the flip side and see people that were born into poverty and bad surroundings yet turn out law abiding and successful anyway.

Blaming society and people’s backgrounds only works to a point. Then it becomes a cop out.

There has to be self accountability a justice system that protects law & order.

When do we start asking people to take some responsibility instead of pandering to people?

My local co-op just lets people steal now. The shopkeer is a nice young lad. I asked him why he just lets it happen and he said because he got in trouble when he tried to stop it.

The police are ineffective. The justice system is ineffective. And we have let in thousands, potentially tens of thousands of undocumented & unaccounted for criminals into the country.

All of those “low IQ” Brexit voters predicted this exact outcome
It’s definitely a difficult “nut” but I find myself agreeing with virtually everything you write here.
 
I just want to say for the record that I don’t blame just undocumented migrants for all crimes, before someone jumps on me. Of course there are criminals born and raised here too.

I feel that there is a real degradation across society of people that were born in this country. A general lack of care for others and ‘doing the right thing’. I think this is happening for many reasons, the primary one is currency debasement as I have talked about on here a few times.

A similar rise in crime and general decline of society happened when the Deutschmark mark hyper inflated. Over the last couple of decades we have seen the money debased at a ridiculous rate and we are starting to see similar effects.

People lose hope as their money goes nowhere. Eventually this nihilism leads to a spike in crime. Combine that with leaders who are willing to break the law for personal gain, and what hope do you have.

All of the “unwritten rules” of society which people take for granted eventually stop mattering
 
I am absolutely speechless that the Irish PM has chosen to focus more on the protestors than addressing the issue of multiple children being stabbed by a dangerous terrorist.

These globalist politicians do not care about law abiding citizens wishes. Instead of discussing how they can prevent further attacks like this he has chosen to tell the protestors that they are the scary ones. Utter Insanity.
 
My solution to this is fairly simple. We need Jails and we need prisons.

Jails work similar to now for low level theft/PO type offences, but sentences aren't completed with time, rather qualifications I.e. you can get out when you've completed a GCSE in English and Maths, or basic trade training. To further this I would change the law so that CRB checks are only required in jobs where there's access to the vulnerable or peoples homes, which would help ensure that on release they could get jobs and contribute to society. Its pointless releasing people from prison for them to be unable to work due to a criminal record.

For all offences against the person or SAC recidivism, then there's Prison. Prison isn't ****ing about any more. There's no rehab, no educational courses you're banged up 23/7. No TVs, no PlayStation. You serve every minute of your sentence. Reoffending results in more Prison.
So how will all this be funded? Where are the trained experienced staff to man the new facilities?
 
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I am absolutely speechless that the Irish PM has chosen to focus more on the protestors than addressing the issue of multiple children being stabbed by a dangerous terrorist.

These globalist politicians do not care about law abiding citizens wishes. Instead of discussing how they can prevent further attacks like this he has chosen to tell the protestors that they are the scary ones. Utter Insanity.
You're confusing "protestors" and "rioters". Rioters are not law abiding citizens and have used this act of mindless violence as an excuse to be thugs and hooligans.
 
I am absolutely speechless that the Irish PM has chosen to focus more on the protestors than addressing the issue of multiple children being stabbed by a dangerous terrorist.

These globalist politicians do not care about law abiding citizens wishes. Instead of discussing how they can prevent further attacks like this he has chosen to tell the protestors that they are the scary ones. Utter Insanity.

Os, I haven't seen any news reports that identify the attacker as anything other than a 50 year old male. Irish police have stated that they are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident, and it has been stated by the police that they are not treating this as a 'terrorist incident'. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the perpetrator is subsequently to have terrorist motives, but have you found any specific mention that the attacker is a terrorist?
 
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You're confusing "protestors" and "rioters". Rioters are not law abiding citizens and have used this act of mindless violence as an excuse to be thugs and hooligans.
There have been no reports of this being a terrorist attack, the gards said the motive remained unclear but ruled out any terrorist link. Online claims by the far right drew the rioters onto the streets and more violence is expected.
The attacker was brought down by a Brazilian delivery driver. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67519418
Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar paid tribute to all those who stepped in to help, saying they "risked their lives to save lives".
He said the school care assistant "threw herself in harm's way" to protect the children, and he described the woman as heroic.
He also pointed out that "those who intervened weren't just from Ireland - they were from other countries as well".
"They are real Irish heroes, whatever their nationality," added the taoiseach.
Varadkar says the full force of the law will be brought against those involved in violent disorder in Dublin on Thursday
Varadkar says the knife attack and the rioting brought "shame on Ireland"
Thirty-two people have since appeared in court in Dublin in connection with the riot.
 
Os, I haven't seen any news reports that identify the attacker as anything other than a 50 year old male. Irish police have stated that they are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident, and it has been stated by the police that they are not treating this as a 'terrorist incident'. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the perpetrator is subsequently to have terrorist motives, but have you found any specific mention that the attacker is a terrorist?
This will be a good source of information, far better than twiXter telegraph, spiked and similar.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...ots-and-dublin-stabbings-latest-news-updates/
 
So how will all this be funded? Where are the trained experienced staff to man the new facilities?

By Amazon et al actually paying their ****ing tax. No more tax loop holes and clever accounting tricks. It's absolutely outrageous that there's people on middle wages paying proportionately more tax on their wages than these companies.

As for the staff? Train them, paying then well
 
By Amazon et al actually paying their ****ing tax. No more tax loop holes and clever accounting tricks. It's absolutely outrageous that there's people on middle wages paying proportionately more tax on their wages than these companies.

As for the staff? Train them, paying then well
Abolish non dom status and advance capital gains tax, make dividend tax the same as income tax. Chaz 3 paying inheritance tax on the billions that came to him. Then use it to reverse the ravages of austerity. It's going to take years.
 
You're confusing "protestors" and "rioters". Rioters are not law abiding citizens and have used this act of mindless violence as an excuse to be thugs and hooligans.

Exactly. To liken it to football, there are unhappy supporters and hooligans. Some use mindless violence and destruction others boo at their team, moan or refuse to go.
 
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Knowing how most on here like a good "peace march" is anyone going to this on Sunday? Maybe your daughter?

Join the March Against Anti-Semitism in London this Sunday.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/24/time-to-take-a-stand-against-the-new-jew-hatred/
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"That barbarous assault on Jews in Israel seven weeks ago – the most lethal attack on Jews since the Holocaust – has inspired pond-scum racists to menace British Jewry. To deface their businesses and places of worship. In some cases, to assault them.
Where is the outrage? Where is the solidarity? Where are the full-throated condemnations? I know many British Jews have been asking these questions."
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"The problem is that the anti-Semites we do have clearly feel emboldened at the moment. They act as though they have been given licence. And with some reason. Indeed, our mealy mouthed elites, those with power and influence, have allowed Jew hatred to burst out of the box which any civilised society must keep it in.
They have made excuses for it. They have gestured vaguely to it being ‘complicated’. They have bought the BS that the protests that have roiled the capital are all about peace and Palestine, rather than bigotry."
 
Os, I haven't seen any news reports that identify the attacker as anything other than a 50 year old male. Irish police have stated that they are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident, and it has been stated by the police that they are not treating this as a 'terrorist incident'. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the perpetrator is subsequently to have terrorist motives, but have you found any specific mention that the attacker is a terrorist?

Yes I’m sure it was a white Irish person that did it. I’m sure they wouldn’t be hiding the nationality for any other reason. No sir
 
Knowing how most on here like a good "peace march" is anyone going to this on Sunday? Maybe your daughter?

Join the March Against Anti-Semitism in London this Sunday.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/24/time-to-take-a-stand-against-the-new-jew-hatred/
..........................................................................................
"That barbarous assault on Jews in Israel seven weeks ago – the most lethal attack on Jews since the Holocaust – has inspired pond-scum racists to menace British Jewry. To deface their businesses and places of worship. In some cases, to assault them.
Where is the outrage? Where is the solidarity? Where are the full-throated condemnations? I know many British Jews have been asking these questions."
...........................................................................................

"The problem is that the anti-Semites we do have clearly feel emboldened at the moment. They act as though they have been given licence. And with some reason. Indeed, our mealy mouthed elites, those with power and influence, have allowed Jew hatred to burst out of the box which any civilised society must keep it in.
They have made excuses for it. They have gestured vaguely to it being ‘complicated’. They have bought the BS that the protests that have roiled the capital are all about peace and Palestine, rather than bigotry."
Anyone's daughter would be happy to be marching knowing that far-right ****er Stephen Yaxley-Lennon isn't welcome there.
"A spokesperson for Campaign Against Antisemitism said: “Contrary to what Tommy Robinson appears to believe, the drunken far-right thugs who came to ‘protect the Cenotaph’ on Armistice Day, some of whom shouted ‘sieg heil’ or hospitalised police officers, are not allies of the Jewish community and are not welcome at our solidarity march on Sunday 26 November."
 
Yes I’m sure it was a white Irish person that did it. I’m sure they wouldn’t be hiding the nationality for any other reason. No sir
So it isn't a terrorist attack or is it? The police say no but you know better hysterically posting the sort of bollocks that the alt right used to provoke the riot.
 
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Knowing how most on here like a good "peace march" is anyone going to this on Sunday? Maybe your daughter?

Join the March Against Anti-Semitism in London this Sunday.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/24/time-to-take-a-stand-against-the-new-jew-hatred/
..........................................................................................
"That barbarous assault on Jews in Israel seven weeks ago – the most lethal attack on Jews since the Holocaust – has inspired pond-scum racists to menace British Jewry. To deface their businesses and places of worship. In some cases, to assault them.
Where is the outrage? Where is the solidarity? Where are the full-throated condemnations? I know many British Jews have been asking these questions."
...........................................................................................

"The problem is that the anti-Semites we do have clearly feel emboldened at the moment. They act as though they have been given licence. And with some reason. Indeed, our mealy mouthed elites, those with power and influence, have allowed Jew hatred to burst out of the box which any civilised society must keep it in.
They have made excuses for it. They have gestured vaguely to it being ‘complicated’. They have bought the BS that the protests that have roiled the capital are all about peace and Palestine, rather than bigotry."

I was intrigued to read that the police will be handing out leaflets regarding the protests in support of Palestine which advise what chants may be criminal. There will also interpreters to identify those chanting in another language. I find this quite disconcerting, especially as the pro-Palestine protesters largely have the backing of the general public. Amongst the Muslim population, I would suggest that support must be reaching 100% with some communities coming down in coach loads to show their support. Given just significant the Muslim population is in the UK, I really feel that their voice is not listened to and always considerd by the media to be unreasonable. In the case of support for Palestine, they are very much in the mainstream. It does seem like the taking away of our liberties and the right to free speach.

I cannot recall an instance where both the government in power and the main opposition party have been at odds with public opinion. Most people are calling for a ceasefire which is not at all controversial or unreasonable. I do not feel that a call for sronger action agaist Israel would be controversial either. Having come back from Qatar last week and seen the widespread support for Palestine there, I do feel a bit ashamed of the UK where the support have been on the streets yet the political will to back this up is not only lacking but also hostile to public consensus.