I like this video from a UK veteran, Joe Glenton, reference the planned protest march Saturday.
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My view on the marches is that they are provocative but should still be allowed to go ahead, it’s freedom of speech and it’s a fundamental cornerstone of a democratic society.
I just think it’s telling that none of the marchers have ever, at any point, called for the freeing of the hostages which is the one act that brings the ceasefire to almost immediate inevitability. I think that questions their intent. Jews on the other side hold vigils for the release of the hostages, not for the continued bombardment of Gaza.
Also, to anybody who has had the misfortune of being stuck on the tube in a carriage with affronting and aggressive chanting - you will know that it’s threatening. That is not what Armistice Day is for and it’s now how London should feel on any day.
So mixed emotions for me, I suppose.
I just think it’s telling that none of the marchers have ever, at any point, called for the freeing of the hostages which is the one act that brings the ceasefire to almost immediate inevitability. I think that questions their intent. Jews on the other side hold vigils for the release of the hostages, not for the continued bombardment of Gaza.
Also, to anybody who has had the misfortune of being stuck on the tube in a carriage with affronting and aggressive chanting - you will know that it’s threatening. That is not what Armistice Day is for and it’s now how London should feel on any day.
So mixed emotions for me, I suppose.
Interesting you've joined in the argument when idiots are mentioned
You might want to remove this post you've put on the Saints Stuff board Einstein
Why on earth would I do that ? Needs moving to the politics thread, thanks for pointing it out, but I can't be arsed it's relevant wherever it is.
Nickolas Somes the woke lefty according to Sue Ellen believes the march should go ahead. As do a large number of woke lefty tories.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/pro-palestinian-march-allowed-go-ahead-winston-churchill-grandson-lbc/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/pro-palestinian-march-allowed-go-ahead-winston-churchill-grandson-lbc/
How many would you expect, given that anyone who fought in the last war would be well into their nineties now?
I am a firm believer in freedom of speech, so wouldn’t want it to be banned outright.
I do think it’s a disgrace that anyone wants to protest and be on the streets on such a day though. It is an appalling lack of respect for the country these people have chosen to move to.
However it seems a large and ever growing population that reside here hate Britain and all it stands for. Sad.
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It’s pretty obvious they’ve done deliberately to “promote” the shock affect / max publicity & have achieved 100% Unfortunately they’ll always be fringe elements regardless, which will override.
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The party political posturing of Sunak and Braverman has done much to inflame the situation. The tory party infighting further highlights how unfit for purpose and unelectable they are.
Yes, heaven forbid we think before we act.
Another person who has skim read my post and concluded I was calling for no action.
Vin
The Hope Not Hate Group has reported plenty of concerns to the police, about racism and the threat of violence from the people Braverman is reaching out to.
If there is violence, perhaps she can be charged with incitement.
Agent provocateurs could, imo, be an issue and a deliberate attempt to ruin a peaceful protest by infiltration has to be a possibility.
As long as the protest march sticks to it’s agreed route, I have no issue with the protest despite it being on the day that commemorates the lives lost to give the world FREEDOM.
That freedom includes the right to protest, something that the Tories would take away from all of us, if they could get away with it.
“VILE messages posted on football hooligan chat groups show yobs plan to attack demonstrators in London calling for a Gaza ceasefire.
The HOPE Not Hate campaign group yesterday reported dozens of racist posts and threats from right-wing Whatsapp groups to the police.
They include discussions on how to ambush protesters, posts calling Muslims “vermin” and “scum”, and links on where to buy crossbows.
HNH said some of the groups have doubled in numbers in the past seven days. The groups are awash with vile Islamophobia, including a photo of Hitler saying he should have “chosen Muslims” to exterminate.
One member wrote: “It’s time to show these ****s what our country is about. They think they can come over here and run amok on our beloved country? Let’s get amongst these ****s and show who’s in charge.”
When a member posted a link to a page selling crossbows, another said: “Let’s shoot the f***ing lot of them… it’s war. For our children and country.”
HNH chief Nick Lowles said: “These messages show there’s a real threat of violence coming from sections of the far right and football hooligans.”
If there is violence, perhaps she can be charged with incitement.
Agent provocateurs could, imo, be an issue and a deliberate attempt to ruin a peaceful protest by infiltration has to be a possibility.
As long as the protest march sticks to it’s agreed route, I have no issue with the protest despite it being on the day that commemorates the lives lost to give the world FREEDOM.
That freedom includes the right to protest, something that the Tories would take away from all of us, if they could get away with it.
“VILE messages posted on football hooligan chat groups show yobs plan to attack demonstrators in London calling for a Gaza ceasefire.
The HOPE Not Hate campaign group yesterday reported dozens of racist posts and threats from right-wing Whatsapp groups to the police.
They include discussions on how to ambush protesters, posts calling Muslims “vermin” and “scum”, and links on where to buy crossbows.
HNH said some of the groups have doubled in numbers in the past seven days. The groups are awash with vile Islamophobia, including a photo of Hitler saying he should have “chosen Muslims” to exterminate.
One member wrote: “It’s time to show these ****s what our country is about. They think they can come over here and run amok on our beloved country? Let’s get amongst these ****s and show who’s in charge.”
When a member posted a link to a page selling crossbows, another said: “Let’s shoot the f***ing lot of them… it’s war. For our children and country.”
HNH chief Nick Lowles said: “These messages show there’s a real threat of violence coming from sections of the far right and football hooligans.”
In other news the covid inquiy evidence heard was pretty damning of the government's. Some interesting articles peer group reviewed and published by the BMJ.
https://www.bmj.com/covid-inquiry
https://www.bmj.com/covid-inquiry
I’d hate to be left out, although I’d prefer to be a nincompoop
My fears to of violence from the alt right nutjob yobs. It's worth pointing out marches are rightfully taking place in a number of countries where armistice day is celebrated.
We are an inclusive society everyone is silly sometimes, some are sillier than others particularly those that award themselves intellectual superiority.
Although holding an anti-war March on a day that mourns the loss of life from previous wars doesn’t seem so inappropriate really