1. 90% of cars are exempt from the charges
2. Boris Johnson introduced ULEZ and it’s Tory policy.
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2. Boris Johnson introduced ULEZ and it’s Tory policy.
3. This will improve the lives of most londoners - who have excellent public transport- but maybe not bridge playing boomers who wants everything and sacrifice nothing. No offence, boomers!
And Grants Shapps encouraged widening ULEZ as well, right wing media outlets always forgets the facts.
TfL funding used by the Shapps/Johnson as an incentive for ULEZ expansion. Unelectable tories pandering to the deluded and gullible in the vain hope of clinging onto power.
This story seems inconsistent. The person starts by saying they will be forced to stay at home but then talks about their friends being trapped on their driveways. I’m confused
I predict long radio silence: absolutely no response to these points (because the claim has been proven to be utter nonsense and there's no way to defend it) then another equally gullible and credulous unfounded claim from a right wing source about a different subject. Probably Hunter Biden's laptop.
Repeat, ad nauseam.
Better ignored than engaged with. Facts don't matter to trolls.
Repeat, ad nauseam.
Better ignored than engaged with. Facts don't matter to trolls.
What am I supposed to reply? You have all made up your minds that it’s a wonderful idea to destroy the working class and you won’t hear any criticism of these ludicrous policies.
If you want my honest response.. None of your replies are valid or hold any water.
The damage being done to the average working class person by these insane policies are seemingly a joke to all of you. But it’s real.
Inflation and high taxes are destroying honest working people, and the champagne socialists are cheering on yet more taxes and more misery for those trying to earn an honest living.
Most of you in here are supporting absolutely bat **** policies created by politicians that hate you. ULEZ being one of many examples.
I’ll note that i made no comment about the policy. Just that the story was inconsistent and contradicted itself - pointing to it being made up. If there were legions of working class people impacted then I’d have thought they could have least published a real anecdote. Not that you should legislate on anecdotes anyway
I’m not going to attempt to deny that this will negatively impact some. What the balance is though - I have no idea. But all policies are a trade off
Worth noting that this policy was invented by a Tory and expanded by a Labour politician. So what is the proposal here? You want us to use it as a stick to beat labour with. But if it is indeed as bad as you say it is a stick to beat both parties with. So who should be voted for?
Of all of Os' tropes, the idea that everyone who disagrees with him are necessarily obscenely wealthy and disconnected from the working class is a personal favourite.
The candidate in each constituency that has the best chance of beating whoever the tories put up.
Two issues with this. The first is that Khan was forced into this. It was Johnson's idea and he was forced to expand the scheme as it was a condition that came with government money that saved TFL from it's financial crisis. Secondly why isn't this selfish bastard reducing his reliance on a car and using public transport? Doesn't he know there is a climare catastrophe happening FFS.
You're all falling for it.
He wrote nine words. Nine. And in response, you've written hundreds of words of reasoned argument about why it's not Khan's issue and the details of why that's true. This is what trolls do and you're falling into the trap. Nine words of nonsense and a page of anger as response. He's beyond listening to reason and you have to wake up to that. You're just being trolled.
He wrote nine words. Nine. And in response, you've written hundreds of words of reasoned argument about why it's not Khan's issue and the details of why that's true. This is what trolls do and you're falling into the trap. Nine words of nonsense and a page of anger as response. He's beyond listening to reason and you have to wake up to that. You're just being trolled.
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Mate, this is cobblers. Total propagandist nonsense. For the nteenth time, most cars are ULEZ compliant, and those that aren’t are expensive to run. This person will be better off by changing his or her car, so don’t believe this dishonest tale of woe.
Yep. Could be the millionth time and it wouldn't have any effect. No amount of evidence or information can convince someone who has fallen into the far right disinformation pit and is trolling their talking points.
FWIW I don't think Os is a troll. He's just getting all his information from right wing sources and believing everything he reads. For all things Saints/football related, I personally have good debates with him. So to call him a troll just for having different political views is unfair and unnecessary IMO.
I don't disagree that it's possible to debate rationally on football matters. That doesn't mean he doesn't troll on politics. The two can coexist. In fact, given that he can debate rationally but chooses not to on political matters, that makes him more of a troll. He's choosing to wind up and run.
When your style is to launch an inflammatory post with no basis in reason, disappear and fail to engage in debate when demonstrably proven wrong, it's trolling. Doesn't matter what you do down the pub, in bed with your wife or on other forums. It's trolling. And people are falling for it. Which is fine, but a great deal of energy is being wasted on someone who chooses not to listen.
What does trolling someone mean?
"Trolling is when someone posts or comments online to 'bait' people, which means deliberately provoking an argument or emotional reaction. In some cases they say things they don't even believe, just to cause drama."
Or
"A troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages online or in real life, with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur.
Possibly
"Trolling is a method of fishing where one or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn through the water. Can the fishy puns.
Maybe
"Trolls are one of the mythical creatures that are portrayed in popular culture on a regular basis."
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Nope, I have to disagree with you here. I don't agree with his views at all, but regardless he's entitled to them and is allowed to express them. Maybe he doesn't debate because he gets sarcastic responses, or gets called a troll.
My view is that Os doesn't help himself with the strength of how he airs his views on here. I genuinely do not believe he is a troll but I can see how his posts can come across like he is one. And TBH his post are only inflammatory because his views are different to everyone else's. If views were equally as strong but in agreement with everyone else there would be no suggestions he is a troll. And why should he choose to listen? No reason why he has to. I do think this thread can be very toxic and people gang up on people who have different views. I've been on the receiving end when I was a Tory voter (before Covid).
I want to bang my head against the table when I read his views on climate change for example, or Trump, but not because he is a troll IMO.
Well I believe Os says what he believes. And this is a controversial thread where people will argue because they have completely different opinions. Why should the person in the minority be called a troll?