Off Topic Politics Thread

[StJabbo1]

FWIW I totally understand why some refused to have the vaccine. Vaccines are optional and that should never change. But you can't say they damage all young people's health because that simply isn't true. It's down to the individual to weight up the pros and cons and make an informed decision.

All of the studies conclude after billions of vaccinations that the benefits outweigh the risks by a huge margin which will increase as vaccines evolve.

Hope for the future. There's ongoing clinical studies using mRNA to treat a number of diseases influenza, genital herpes, and melanoma amongst them.
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/features/mrna-vaccine-trials-to-watch/#:~:text=Recent positive clinical studies in,pharma world has taken note.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01393-8#Sec5 Going to the "Exploring other infections" section lists more including the Dengue virus that Mrs Jab recovered from some years ago.
COVID-19 and influenza are just two of many infectious diseases that might be treated with mRNA-based vaccines. For instance, Weissman says, “We are working on about 30 different mRNA vaccines, including ones for influenza, HIV, hepatitis C, malaria, tuberculosis and many others."

 

[Saints_Alive]

Why has Woke become such a derogative term?
The Collins dictionary definition is: 2. adjective. Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.
It's just someone that believes in inclusivity and basic human rights for everyone as far as i'm concerned. I'd much rather be described as "woke" than a "narrow minded bigot".

 

[Osvaldorama]

Also on the shooting note:

The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.

The Denver shooter identified as trans.

The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.

The Nashville shooter identified as trans.

Yet jabbo & others mentioned that woke & trans ideology is nothing to worry about.

It isn’t a big problem in the UK yet; but the key word is yet. Culture here often follows the US. This is why I have been very anti woke for a long time.

No I am not hysterical, no I am not a qanon lunatic. I just can see societal decay and its implications more clearly than most of you on here.

 

[Archers Road]

Two assault rifles and a hand gun. Not the type of weapons you'd expect a woman to carry.

You’ve never been to Tennessee have you?

 

[All_Southampton_FC]

Apologies if already covered but how is this allowed? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65088130

I think Starmer sees Corbyn as a threat and that's the main reason he's trying to ban him.
I believe Corbyn has been the victim of a smear campaign... I didn't even know what antisemitism was before Corbyn was running for leadership!
I don't think labour is any fairer now, even if it's trying to appease people with certain beliefs.
It certainly doesn't represent the working class at present.

Also, on another note: the led by donkeys sting operation is brilliant and scary at the same time.

 

[StJabbo1]

Why has Woke become such a derogative term?
The Collins dictionary definition is: 2. adjective. Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.
It's just someone that believes in inclusivity and basic human rights for everyone as far as i'm concerned. I'd much rather be described as "woke" than a "narrow minded bigot".

Bit of an explanation here if you'll excuse me posting something from a sandal wearing wokeratti rag.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...how-the-word-woke-was-weaponised-by-the-right
If the the likes of Laurence Fox, Toby Young and other right wing crackpot conspiraloons call me woke I'm pleased to accept the complement.

 

[All_Southampton_FC]

Why has Woke become such a derogative term?
The Collins dictionary definition is: 2. adjective. Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.
It's just someone that believes in inclusivity and basic human rights for everyone as far as i'm concerned. I'd much rather be described as "woke" than a "narrow minded bigot".

https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-history-origin-evolution-controversy

Interesting.

 

[It'sOnlyAGame]

Why has Woke become such a derogative term?
The Collins dictionary definition is: 2. adjective. Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.
It's just someone that believes in inclusivity and basic human rights for everyone as far as i'm concerned. I'd much rather be described as "woke" than a "narrow minded bigot".

Bit of an explanation here if you'll excuse me posting something from a sandal wearing wokeratti rag.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...how-the-word-woke-was-weaponised-by-the-right
If the the likes of Laurence Fox, Toby Young and other right wing crackpot conspiraloons call me woke I'm pleased to accept the complement.

It's an expression that started off in black culture but then appropriated by the white left who needed a word to point out how kind and virtuous they were. But much like "do gooder" it's been taken and used against them by people who can see through their self righteousness. Hence, when someone is called woke today it doesn't mean "stay woke" as in being aware of police wrongdoings, as it originally meant in black culture, nowadays it's just short for pious ****er.

 

[StJabbo1]

It's an expressions that started off in black culture but then appropriated by the white left who needed a word to point out how kind and virtuous they were. But much like "do gooder" it's been taken and used against them by people who can see through their self righteousness. Hence, when someone is called woke today it doesn't mean "stay woke" as in being aware of police wrongdoings, as it originally meant in black culture, nowadays it's just short for pious ****er.

When used by the right wing little enlander Farageista ****s as a derogatory term widely printed in arsewipe rags such as the mail and express.

 

[Schad]

Also on the shooting note:

The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.

The Denver shooter identified as trans.

The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.

The Nashville shooter identified as trans.

Yet jabbo & others mentioned that woke & trans ideology is nothing to worry about.

It isn’t a big problem in the UK yet; but the key word is yet. Culture here often follows the US. This is why I have been very anti woke for a long time.

No I am not hysterical, no I am not a qanon lunatic. I just can see societal decay and its implications more clearly than most of you on here.

This is bullshit my dude. You're literally quoting-without-quoting Benny Johnson, a far right commentator. Stole the list directly from him.

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The Colorado Springs shooter never identified as non-binary before the shooting, and is so uncommitted to the bit that the only party who refers to him as non-binary (his defense lawyers) routinely use he/him pronouns for their client. He ran a neo-Nazi website which featured imagery of crosshairs on gay pride parades, and massacred people at a drag event.

https://apnews.com/article/colorado-springs-crime-hate-crimes-d2379dce03c66ea3bc0faa2c5ffb7c21

The Denver shooting involved two kids, one trans and one straight, who killed a kid they allege bullied them. Which is obviously indefensible (all such shootings are), but bullying and the ease of access to guns has been a driving force behind school shootings since Columbine, and the fact that the kid this time (and not all of the other times it has happened) was trans doesn't really affect the calculus.

The Aberdeen shooting -- which happened five years ago -- does not appear to have anything to do with the fact that the shooter was trans, either, just that they shot up their workplace because every disturbed person in America can get their hands on a gun with no difficulty whatsoever.

https://archive.is/fugdx


Do you know what the absolute vast majority of spree shooters in the US have been? Straight white males. I mean, ****, a bunch of them have cited the likes of Ben Shapiro, or great replacement theory. But it's totally trans people and WoKe MiNd ViRuS who are an existential threat. **** off outta here with that nonsense.


GUNS are the problem. As I said before the person was identified as trans, any person of any credo, colour or identity can easily get guns and start killing innocent people. That means, yes: sometimes the person doing the slaughtering will be trans. Sometimes the person doing it will be a woman, or SE Asian, or whatever other identifier one might dream up. They make up a small percentage of those shootings, with the bigger problem being that these shootings happen every ****ing week because anyone with $500 to their name can acquire enough weaponry to kill a dozen people, and anyone with a couple grand can be outfitted like a ****ing special forces brigade.

 

[Schad]

Why has Woke become such a derogative term?
The Collins dictionary definition is: 2. adjective. Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.
It's just someone that believes in inclusivity and basic human rights for everyone as far as i'm concerned. I'd much rather be described as "woke" than a "narrow minded bigot".

Funny story, this. After years of trying to campaign against 'woke', the right wing in the US has...apparently made 'being woke' a positive in the minds of most Americans.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ans-see-term-positive-ipsos-poll/11417394002/

 

[StJabbo1]

This is bullshit my dude. You're literally quoting-without-quoting Benny Johnson, a far right commentator. Stole the list directly from him.

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The Colorado Springs shooter never identified as non-binary before the shooting, and is so uncommitted to the bit that the only party who refers to him as non-binary (his defense lawyers) routinely use he/him pronouns for their client. He ran a neo-Nazi website which featured imagery of crosshairs on gay pride parades, and massacred people at a drag event.

https://apnews.com/article/colorado-springs-crime-hate-crimes-d2379dce03c66ea3bc0faa2c5ffb7c21

The Denver shooting involved two kids, one trans and one straight, who killed a kid they allege bullied them. Which is obviously indefensible (all such shootings are), but bullying and the ease of access to guns has been a driving force behind school shootings since Columbine, and the fact that the kid this time (and not all of the other times it has happened) was trans doesn't really affect the calculus.

The Aberdeen shooting -- which happened five years ago -- does not appear to have anything to do with the fact that the shooter was trans, either, just that they shot up their workplace because every disturbed person in America can get their hands on a gun with no difficulty whatsoever.

https://archive.is/fugdx


Do you know what the absolute vast majority of spree shooters in the US have been? Straight white males. I mean, ****, a bunch of them have cited the likes of Ben Shapiro, or great replacement theory. But it's totally trans people and WoKe MiNd ViRuS who are an existential threat. **** off outta here with that nonsense.


GUNS are the problem. As I said before the person was identified as trans, any person of any credo, colour or identity can easily get guns and start killing innocent people. That means, yes: sometimes the person doing the slaughtering will be trans. Sometimes the person doing it will be a woman, or SE Asian, or whatever other identifier one might dream up. They make up a small percentage of those shootings, with the bigger problem being that these shootings happen every ****ing week because anyone with $500 to their name can acquire enough weaponry to kill a dozen people, and anyone with a couple grand can be outfitted like a ****ing special forces brigade.

Why am I not surprised at the cut and paste from a right wing source? It's the M.O. of the poster and is indicative of phobic problems that need addressing. You will be joining me in the moron box with a single digit IQ.

 

[Gregm1988]

Also on the shooting note:

The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.

The Denver shooter identified as trans.

The Aberdeen shooter identified as trans.

The Nashville shooter identified as trans.

Yet jabbo & others mentioned that woke & trans ideology is nothing to worry about.

It isn’t a big problem in the UK yet; but the key word is yet. Culture here often follows the US. This is why I have been very anti woke for a long time.

No I am not hysterical, no I am not a qanon lunatic. I just can see societal decay and its implications more clearly than most of you on here.

Why haven’t you just quoted the right wing talking head that you have taken this from pretty much word for word?

Also that is 4 cases. Some of which are debatable as to whether that was really the identification of the people. 4 out of how many? Depending on the period you use it is hundreds if not thousands. This is not an issue of trans or gender politics but a broader one related to a mix of mental health crisis and gun control/access

 

[Schad]

Why am I not surprised at the cut and paste from a right wing source? It's the M.O. of the poster and is indicative of phobic problems that need addressing. You will be joining me in the moron box with a single digit IQ.

I find blaming trans people for the massacre of queer people at a drag event, after the very people Os is citing have spent years demonizing drag events, to be particularly ghoulish, but in a very unsurprising sort of way.

 

[San Tejón]

Stephen Kinnock has exposed a monstrous lie made by Sunak in parliament, which has been repeated and embellished by some of his colleagues.
The claim is that the backlog for dealing with asylum seekers was greater in 2010, under Labour, than it is now. Apparently one unnamed Tory MP even claimed that the backlog in 2010 was 450,000.
Kinnock, using the government’s own statistical office has revealed that the ACTUAL figure in 2010 was fewer than 19,000.
The current figure, using the same statistics, shows the backlog at 166,000.
Kinnock has raised a concern over the accuracy of the figures, being bandied about by the Tories and has requested that the misinformation be put right under the requirements of the Ministerial Code.
I might be alone here, but I think the delay in dealing with asylum seekers has always been a deliberate act by the Tory government, because it helps with their anti immigration agenda if they can rile up the people at the thought of asylum seekers being put up in hotels, at taxpayer’s expense, when so many people are struggling financially to survive.
One of my brothers, the otherwise sane one who never votes for the Tories, always comments on this when we meet, and I have to keep explaining to him that he is being used.

The link contains a video of the complaint in the house.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/n...JFjFsQL3Bme3-_EZ_FJfULUbZNC1hSg5LsWxjIIe8Jcz4

 

[Gregm1988]

I find blaming trans people for the massacre of queer people at a drag event, after the very people Os is citing have spent years demonizing drag events, to be particularly ghoulish, but in a very unsurprising sort of way.

Sadly the progressives aren’t immune to ghoulish statements in trying to point score after such events. David Pakman’s tweet on this shooting is really quite awful. And his is one of the progressive channels I tend to follow the most

I can’t copy it at the moment as my connection is appalling

 

[Shandy_top_89]

Apologies if already covered but how is this allowed? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65088130

I think Starmer sees Corbyn as a threat and that's the main reason he's trying to ban him.
I believe Corbyn has been the victim of a smear campaign... I didn't even know what antisemitism was before Corbyn was running for leadership!
I don't think labour is any fairer now, even if it's trying to appease people with certain beliefs.
It certainly doesn't represent the working class at present.

Also, on another note: the led by donkeys sting operation is brilliant and scary at the same time.

It’s tricky and the reason given for the motion was odd, but imo a party leadership does need the ability to veto candidates where necessary in order to effectively strategise and I can see why Corbyn is seen as a liability on the National stage.

I say this as someone who agrees that he was stitched up by the media and fellow politicians, but he is just too politically naive and allowed himself to be tarred. If he had responded to the EHRC Report appropriately I believe he would still have the Labour whip.

I think his response to the Ukraine conflict and involvement in the stop the war coalition has just buried him even further.

He will probably win Islington North as an independent and fair enough. But on a National level he just allowed himself to become a millstone around the party’s neck and potentially an electoral asset for the Tories.

 

[It'sOnlyAGame]

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[StJabbo1]

Why haven’t you just quoted the right wing talking head that you have taken this from pretty much word for word?

Also that is 4 cases. Some of which are debatable as to whether that was really the identification of the people. 4 out of how many? Depending on the period you use it is hundreds if not thousands. This is not an issue of trans or gender politics but a broader one related to a mix of mental health crisis and gun control/access

129 this year to date and the knobheads quote 4 and wonder why they're ridiculed.

 

[Gregm1988]

129 this year to date and the knobheads quote 4 and wonder why they're ridiculed.

Where those 4 “LGBTQ” ones all this year as well? Not that it changes the point that much