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Apparently it is not a wig.
How does someone with that kind of appearance ever get elected ?
How does someone with that kind of appearance ever get elected ?
A pig in a blue rosette etc...
Last election he got 65% of the vote in Lichfield which has elected him every time since the constituency was founded in 1997 (it was originally a marginal, but now it must be one of the safest seats in the country, so clearly the locals approve of whatever that thing is)
If you put a collectible figurine of your favourite boy band member in the microwave for 30 seconds, you can apparently create a Tory MP.
Surely even that doesn’t explain Nadine Dorries.
Again, I have to mention: your political scene might be an absolute quagmire of stupidity at current, but you do not have politicians standing in legislatures and saying "if homeless people work to better themselves, they could be someone consequential, like Hitler".
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I have listened to lots of stuff on Nixon recently and moving towards a conclusion that he has been unfairly treated by history and the reaction to what he did was massively overblown. It was wrong and criminal but should no longer be on the radar in discussions like this as what he did was frankly small potatoes compared to what many have done since
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And if you look into him and his background he is actually a sympathetic and somewhat relatable character - especially compared to the likes of trump and Johnson
Disagree. Watergate wasn't even the first burglary they committed! They literally had a list of people that they were directing various agencies to target, and that doesn't even get to the plan to firebomb a think tank in order to rob it as people fled, plus the various crimes committed to cover it all up.
You are kind of proving my point with this post really if you look at what you have just said. But agree to disagree
And it doesn’t even register on the scale of the likes of some of our modern people. Especially Trump. But he is so outrageous that it maybe isn’t a reasonable comparison. But people still make it
In case it wasn’t clear - I never said what he did were not crimes and were not bad. Just in case that wasn’t obvious.
And I definitely stand by him being more sympathetic and relatable. Although you didn’t even address that point (because it would take some going to try and argue against that one)
Because I disagree. Nixon was a very intelligent person, who came from a poor background, and then used his platform to do ruthless, purely self-interested things, many of which badly harmed people from poor backgrounds. He was relentlessly conniving and ambitious throughout his political career and stabbed anyone, friend or foe, who got in his way. He knew what he was doing was wrong and did it anyway, and went down in flames when his hubris and paranoia finally caught up with him after all those years. He could have used his platform and wits to do good; he chose not to. He chose to only care about himself, and in the end it sunk him.
Trump is incredibly loathsome, but Trump is also a pathetic shell of a human being. He is not terribly intelligent, and he likely hasn't had a truly human relationship in his life. Every relationship he has, including with his children, is transactional. He has spent his whole existence trying to be the sort of successful sociopath that his father was, and consistently falling short of half that equation. He doesn't know what he is doing is wrong, because he has never cared enough about anyone else to even bother to consider their perspective. This is literally why he isn't in jail right now, by the way: most of the crimes he has likely committed require what is called specific intent, which means that you not only need to prove that they committed crimes, but that they were aware that they were committing a crime. Trump has skated because he is too stupid to know what crimes he's committing, or even what the law is in the broadest strokes.
I find zero sympathy or relatability with either of them. They were both truly awful in their own ways.
Trump is incredibly loathsome, but Trump is also a pathetic shell of a human being. He is not terribly intelligent, and he likely hasn't had a truly human relationship in his life. Every relationship he has, including with his children, is transactional. He has spent his whole existence trying to be the sort of successful sociopath that his father was, and consistently falling short of half that equation. He doesn't know what he is doing is wrong, because he has never cared enough about anyone else to even bother to consider their perspective. This is literally why he isn't in jail right now, by the way: most of the crimes he has likely committed require what is called specific intent, which means that you not only need to prove that they committed crimes, but that they were aware that they were committing a crime. Trump has skated because he is too stupid to know what crimes he's committing, or even what the law is in the broadest strokes.
I find zero sympathy or relatability with either of them. They were both truly awful in their own ways.
Fascinating. To find absolutely zero sympathy or relatability is definitely an extremely bold claim. Not “little”. You said “zero”.
It suggests that you have never , even once, felt imposter syndrome or felt like an outsider or looked down upon or anything like that. That you have never felt that no matter what you that it isn’t good enough.
It also suggests that you have no experience of hardship and having to give up on certain dreams
If all of those things are true of you then I would suggest that you are a distinct minority among people in the world. Dare I say it makes you extremely privileged
But I would be surprised if all those things are true. In which case there is a different gap here. As to what that is - there is a generous interpretation and some less generous ones
That view on Trump is also fascinating because it highlights to an even degree how absurd it is that some people compare the two (not saying you did, I brought it up).
I would say it is linked to the impeachment but Clinton was impeached - and I think they actually had the trial on that one and Clinton and trump aren’t compared
I disagree that trump is too stupid to know what he is doing is criminal. His actions to avoid being found out suggests otherwise. But maybe he only made those after lawyers revealed to him how much trouble he could be in
I have absolutely felt those things. I have not turned them into a justification to spend decades metaphorically slitting throats or, y'know, committing actual war crimes.
You cannot always control your circumstances or the things that happen to you, but you can control your actions in response. Nixon consistently acted in malevolent ways. I cannot sympathize with that, just as I also have no sympathy for the guys who can't get laid and turn that into a justification to go on spree shootings.
Not necessarily too stupid: too lacking in awareness. Too narcissistic to believe that anything that benefits him could be wrong.
His sons? Totally just too stupid.
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Its a weird in studio reaction, I mean Jermaine Jenas laughs, but the rest of the studio make an audible stunned gasp as if he had committed an extreme faux pas / done something very wrong?
Tbf his delivery of the joke was a bit laboured which probably cost some laughs, but it still feels a strange reaction to me, as if he had done something much more severe.
In some places it's the same thing but a pig in a red rosette... In most parts of the country your vote doesn't really matter, it's a few swing seats where your vote actually matters...
Bring on proportional representation
Priti Awful is on the verge of sealing a deal with Rwanda, to process asylum seekers that make it to our shores (well, the poor ones).
So we are going to fly them 5000 miles away and pay the Rwanda government to hold them, in order to stop them finding asylum in our country.
What a ****hole country we have become, under the Tories.
Australia hold asylum seekers offshore and it is claimed that by doing so, each one costs the Australian government £1.9million per year.
As ex Tory minister Andrew Mitchell says “It would be cheaper to put each one up in the Ritz and send all the under 18s to Eton”.
So we are going to fly them 5000 miles away and pay the Rwanda government to hold them, in order to stop them finding asylum in our country.
What a ****hole country we have become, under the Tories.
Australia hold asylum seekers offshore and it is claimed that by doing so, each one costs the Australian government £1.9million per year.
As ex Tory minister Andrew Mitchell says “It would be cheaper to put each one up in the Ritz and send all the under 18s to Eton”.
From Todays Mail:
"Robert Peston was accused of breaching ITV's duty for political impartiality last night after he criticised Boris Johnson for not resigning over Partygate.
ITV's political editor tweeted that if Tory MPs decided to keep the Prime Minister in office, it would look like Britain was an 'elected dictatorship'.
And he added: 'This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope.'
Senior government sources said that such comments would not be allowed to be conveyed on air because it would fall foul of the duty of broadcasters' to be impartial.
They said Mr Peston should be held to account by his employers even though the comments were made on social media.
Former Tory minister Rob Wilson said: 'Peston has seemingly forgotten the old fashioned values of journalism that relied upon impartiality, gathering the facts and merely reporting the story so that people can make up their own mind."
Wilson would do well to remind the Telegraph, Sun, Express and the Mail that they should rely on impartiality, gathering the facts and merely reporting so that people can make up their own minds.
"Robert Peston was accused of breaching ITV's duty for political impartiality last night after he criticised Boris Johnson for not resigning over Partygate.
ITV's political editor tweeted that if Tory MPs decided to keep the Prime Minister in office, it would look like Britain was an 'elected dictatorship'.
And he added: 'This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope.'
Senior government sources said that such comments would not be allowed to be conveyed on air because it would fall foul of the duty of broadcasters' to be impartial.
They said Mr Peston should be held to account by his employers even though the comments were made on social media.
Former Tory minister Rob Wilson said: 'Peston has seemingly forgotten the old fashioned values of journalism that relied upon impartiality, gathering the facts and merely reporting the story so that people can make up their own mind."
Wilson would do well to remind the Telegraph, Sun, Express and the Mail that they should rely on impartiality, gathering the facts and merely reporting so that people can make up their own minds.
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