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I am quite surprised by Sunak as he seemed to be cut from a different cloth from the others. As it turns out, they are all one and the same. The most interesing thing about this is that he was one of the runners and riders to succeed Boris and I think this has done him a lot of damage. Liz Truss has proved herself to be incompetent in dealing with Lavrov and she is clesrly not up to the job. I am beginning to feel that a future Conservative Party will need to have leaders in position throughout the ministerial portfolios who can demonstrate no links whatsoever with Johnson. You wonder if any of the cricle who were around May could have a future or whether the party could rally around someone like Rory Stewart.

I have felt for a long time that the politics of the world had move beyond the narrow -mindedness of the Tories and there was a point when Tony Blair was in power where he seemed to being their job for them. It strikes me that the current Tory party members have elected the most self-serving group of MPs ever and have ensured that Parliament governs for the benefit of the individual ministers. There are so many of them who seem so untrustworthy that it is quite staggering. In the current form, I feel that the Conservatives are corrupt and are governing in their own interests. As a democracy, we are are now in a really bad place. I do not think the Conservatives are fit and proper to represent the Right in British politics and it is probably time that they were consigned to history. In a more liberal world threatened by global warming and increasing conflict, these are not the people we need in power. I would be inclined to argue that any future political system (whether it be PR) needs to aligning itself more to the centre and the Left or even environmental issues.A party that is so pro-capitalism is on a race to the bottom and should be proscribed in a modern and progressive society. The people the Conservatives put forwad to govern us are totally unsuitable and the values the party represents has no real standing in the 21st Century.
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
I am quite surprised by Sunak as he seemed to be cut from a different cloth from the others. As it turns out, they are all one and the same. The most interesing thing about this is that he was one of the runners and riders to succeed Boris and I think this has done him a lot of damage. Liz Truss has proved herself to be incompetent in dealing with Lavrov and she is clesrly not up to the job. I am beginning to feel that a future Conservative Party will need to have leaders in position throughout the ministerial portfolios who can demonstrate no links whatsoever with Johnson. You wonder if any of the cricle who were around May could have a future or whether the party could rally around someone like Rory Stewart.

I have felt for a long time that the politics of the world had move beyond the narrow -mindedness of the Tories and there was a point when Tony Blair was in power where he seemed to being their job for them. It strikes me that the current Tory party members have elected the most self-serving group of MPs ever and have ensured that Parliament governs for the benefit of the individual ministers. There are so many of them who seem so untrustworthy that it is quite staggering. In the current form, I feel that the Conservatives are corrupt and are governing in their own interests. As a democracy, we are are now in a really bad place. I do not think the Conservatives are fit and proper to represent the Right in British politics and it is probably time that they were consigned to history. In a more liberal world threatened by global warming and increasing conflict, these are not the people we need in power. I would be inclined to argue that any future political system (whether it be PR) needs to aligning itself more to the centre and the Left or even environmental issues.A party that is so pro-capitalism is on a race to the bottom and should be proscribed in a modern and progressive society. The people the Conservatives put forwad to govern us are totally unsuitable and the values the party represents has no real standing in the 21st Century.
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Can I ask - what on Earth made you think he was cut from a different cloth?

- Wealthy family background (see next point)
- Attended one the most prestigious public schools in the country
- Oxbridge
- Investment Banker
- Hedge funds
- Safe Tory seat miles from where he is from and where there is no evidence he ever lived (he would have been in the City due to the banking and hedge funds)

Then all the leaks suggesting how resistant he is to helping basically anyone other than his super rich banking friends. As well as the rumours that he wants even more cuts and austerity than we already have. Covid ruined his plans and he is likely furious

I’m just what out of both his background and record made it look like he was cut from a different cloth?

If his parents thought making him wait tables at an Indian restaurant in his summer holidays would help him stay grounded then it clearly failed majestically

Even without the marriage to the heiress of billionaire family he has all the signs of a man who has simply not the tiniest inclination of what life is like for all but the top 1% of the population. Probably a smaller proportion than that

He has been immersed in the elite since he was a teenager and was always on the pathway to be there. I mean crikey there should be a blanket ban on anyone with a banking / hedge fund background entering politics at all. There is pretty much no transferable skills that I can tell between those fields and running the country. It’s debatable as to whether those skills are even useful in running a national economy / treasury
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
I am quite surprised by Sunak as he seemed to be cut from a different cloth from the others. As it turns out, they are all one and the same. The most interesing thing about this is that he was one of the runners and riders to succeed Boris and I think this has done him a lot of damage. Liz Truss has proved herself to be incompetent in dealing with Lavrov and she is clesrly not up to the job. I am beginning to feel that a future Conservative Party will need to have leaders in position throughout the ministerial portfolios who can demonstrate no links whatsoever with Johnson. You wonder if any of the cricle who were around May could have a future or whether the party could rally around someone like Rory Stewart.

I have felt for a long time that the politics of the world had move beyond the narrow -mindedness of the Tories and there was a point when Tony Blair was in power where he seemed to being their job for them. It strikes me that the current Tory party members have elected the most self-serving group of MPs ever and have ensured that Parliament governs for the benefit of the individual ministers. There are so many of them who seem so untrustworthy that it is quite staggering. In the current form, I feel that the Conservatives are corrupt and are governing in their own interests. As a democracy, we are are now in a really bad place. I do not think the Conservatives are fit and proper to represent the Right in British politics and it is probably time that they were consigned to history. In a more liberal world threatened by global warming and increasing conflict, these are not the people we need in power. I would be inclined to argue that any future political system (whether it be PR) needs to aligning itself more to the centre and the Left or even environmental issues.A party that is so pro-capitalism is on a race to the bottom and should be proscribed in a modern and progressive society. The people the Conservatives put forwad to govern us are totally unsuitable and the values the party represents has no real standing in the 21st Century.
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He's the one with the knife in et tu, brute
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Osvaldorama said:
Seems a pretty reasonable view giving the overwhelming odds that Ukraine are facing
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I guess it depends on what you would consider a victory for Russia. They seem to have given up on taking the whole country

Russia are going to declare some kind of victory in one months time. What that is still remains to be seen. I suggest not what they were originally expecting
 
I would have hoped that Sunak is held to account for these issues. If the accusations are correct I wonder how serious this would be. Is there any likelihood of a criminal prosecution ?
 
Gregm1988 said:
I guess it depends on what you would consider a victory for Russia. They seem to have given up on taking the whole country

Russia are going to declare some kind of victory in one months time. What that is still remains to be seen. I suggest not what they were originally expecting
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Perhaps May 8th, VE day, which is huge in Russia??
 
Schad said:
The French presidential election is getting interesting, and by interesting I naturally mean utterly terrifying. Le Pen is pulling her usual 20ish percent in first-round polling, but she's suddenly pulling more of the run-off vote against Macron. Enough that she could potentially win.

This should be a real opportunity for LFI, the left-socialist party whose candidate is sitting third, to make a strong case that getting their candidate (Jean-Luc Melenchon) into the runoff ahead of Le Pen is the best way to stop her, and if all of the votes going to left/socialist/Green candidates coalesced behind him, they almost definitely would succeed. But the left is nothing if not capable of self-immolating over small differences, so the odds are good that those votes will instead be split six ways and the runoff will again be between Macron and Le Pen. Sigh.
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It is not only the left that have fractured in France, and whose base support may have shrunk.since the glory days of Miterrand, but Les Gaullists (les Republiques, I think,) that have been pushed into the margins as well.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
I would have hoped that Sunak is held to account for these issues. If the accusations are correct I wonder how serious this would be. Is there any likelihood of a criminal prosecution ?
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It’s not illegal to avoid tax using perfectly legal loopholes. Therefore, in answer to your question, none at all.
However, it is totally unethical and the great British voter should never forget ….. though, no doubt, will be easily fooled into thinking it was an “honest mistake” and that fault lies with anyone who isn’t a Tory …… thus voting them all back in again …… <doh><doh>
 
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