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My personal view is that it won't be long before we have 60/40 in favour of Remain. Should that occur then the political advantages of opposing the project will be clear. Pfeffel won't be able to quote hindsight on that one. The latest polling for Business Insider taken on June20 found support for being in the EU at 57%. Those in favour of leaving, just 35%!
 
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StJabbo1 said:
Totally choreographed to avoid being confronted by a hostile crowd. Carried on in the media as far as possible putting someone else in the firing line or selecting the questions from a sycophantic audience. His performance at PMQs when challenged by Keir Starmer is that of a petulant bully in the playground. The Jizzmeister must be challenged, heckled and forced to acknowledge his lies and deceits.
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I think it is time for Starmer to take a more direct approach to Johnson’s schoolboy humour, by asking the Speaker to remind him that he is in the House of Commons and not in a school playground and that he should take his position as PM more seriously.
 
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Farked19 said:
My personal view is that it won't be long before we have 60/40 in favour of Remain. Should that occur then the political advantages of opposing the project will be clear. Pfeffel won't be able to quote hindsight on that one. The latest polling for Business Insider taken on June20 found support for being in the EU at 57%. Those in favour of leaving, just 35%!
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These sorts of polls and the statements being made by the business and financial need to be widely disseminated. When the CBI and TUC agree brexit in any form will damage the UK then notice should be taken.
 
To be honest, thiugh I voted remain, and have long thought staying in the EU is the correct choice, the covid pandemic has made me re-think slightly.

Rather than showing unity, it feels like the EU is straining further than ever to me. There is every chance we have got lucky and left just before it truly breaks apart... I don't know how long the richer EU countries will be happy to bail out the poorer ones..

Interesting times ahead. There is a chance that we come out of brexit stronger than ever, however small.
 
Don't hold your breath. It looks like our main trade agreements will end up being with Fiji and Vanuatu.
 
Osvaldorama said:
To be honest, thiugh I voted remain, and have long thought staying in the EU is the correct choice, the covid pandemic has made me re-think slightly.

Rather than showing unity, it feels like the EU is straining further than ever to me. There is every chance we have got lucky and left just before it truly breaks apart... I don't know how long the richer EU countries will be happy to bail out the poorer ones..

Interesting times ahead. There is a chance that we come out of brexit stronger than ever, however small.
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Small, minute, how many years did Rees Mogg say it would take to recover from brexit? Ah here we are “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.” From https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ars-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off
Edit Bollocks to Boris and brexit.
 
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StJabbo1 said:
Small, minute, how many years did Rees Mogg say it would take to recover from brexit? Ah here we are “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.” From https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ars-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off
Edit Bollocks to Boris and brexit.
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True, but no-one can predict the future.

Italy's economy is really struggling. France has an aging population and a retirement age of just 60 - I'd imagine will be in economic difficulty in the next decade or two. Hungary and some of the Eastern countries are fuming at the EU for the lack of help with covid...

I'd say I've gone from thinking it was 100% a terrible idea, to 99% <laugh>. There are just too many factors to really guess how it will play out.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
True, but no-one can predict the future.

Italy's economy is really struggling. France has an aging population and a retirement age of just 60 - I'd imagine will be in economic difficulty in the next decade or two. Hungary and some of the Eastern countries are fuming at the EU for the lack of help with covid...

I'd say I've gone from thinking it was 100% a terrible idea, to 99% <laugh>. There are just too many factors to really guess how it will play out.
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I'm out of it retired overseas :emoticon-0103-cool:
 
Osvaldorama said:
True, but no-one can predict the future.

Italy's economy is really struggling. France has an aging population and a retirement age of just 60 - I'd imagine will be in economic difficulty in the next decade or two. Hungary and some of the Eastern countries are fuming at the EU for the lack of help with covid...

I'd say I've gone from thinking it was 100% a terrible idea, to 99% <laugh>. There are just too many factors to really guess how it will play out.
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One of the books I read during lockdown was Yanis Varoufakis' Adults in the Room. All through the Greek debt crisis, the author (one time finance minister) and the left wing government he served, were ardently pro-European. But I have to say that the EU and it's institutions do not emerge from that particular drama with much credit to their reputations. The book makes you think that maybe the EU as it currently exists, is far more inclined and configured to serve the interests of banks and markets than, those of ordinary working citizens.
 
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Although there may be some truth in that I nevertheless think that the spin off from it may well provide many advantages to the population in general. The way to have handled this was to stay n and try to reform the whole caboodle. I really do think that we have a massive advantage later in this parliament when Brexit has gone horribly wrong and Starmer can play the Remain card.

I am already picking up from people who didn't vote Labour in December that they like Starmer and I do think we are going to see a total collapse of the Tories in Red Wall seats. At the moment I think that largest party and a government of Lab/SNP is the least we could expect. Ironically the only thing that might ameliorate Brexit is a reasonable Democrat US government.
 
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Archers Road said:
One of the books I read during lockdown was Yanis Varoufakis' Adults in the Room. All through the Greek debt crisis, the author (one time finance minister) and the left wing government he served, were ardently pro-European. But I have to say that the EU and it's institutions do not emerge from that particular drama with much credit to their reputations. The book makes you think that maybe the EU as it currently exists, is far more inclined and configured to serve the interests of banks and markets than, those of ordinary working citizens.
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He is a fantastic author, I really enjoyed his books. It was actually his writing that made me re-think too. Small world :azn:
 
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Farked19 said:
Although there may be some truth in that I nevertheless think that the spin off from it may well provide many advantages to the population in general. The way to have handled this was to stay n and try to reform the whole caboodle. I really do think that we have a massive advantage later in this parliament when Brexit has gone horribly wrong and Starmer can play the Remain card.

I am already picking up from people who didn't vote Labour in December that they like Starmer and I do think we are going to see a total collapse of the Tories in Red Wall seats. At the moment I think that largest party and a government of Lab/SNP is the least we could expect. Ironically the only thing that might ameliorate Brexit is a reasonable Democrat US government.
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I think you’re probably right, but a Lab/SNP alliance won’t last long unfortunately, because the price for it would be Indyref2. Don’t forget it’s not just the Red Wall seats that lost the last election for Labour, it was the collapse of the Scottish Labour vote too, and independence would see those seats vanish forever.
 
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