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Just listened on the BBC news to two lads in their early twenties from Burnley. They voted Tory because they have zero hours contracts and live in bedsits. They said they are expecting Boris to get them full time jobs on permanent contracts.

The very lovely Mrs Godders:emoticon-0115-inlov came running into the living room to find me rolling around on the floor laughing my head off. That last bits a lie, I made it up as I can't roll anywhere and if I was on the floor I couldn't get up again but what the heck it's OK to lie through your teeth nowadays. I am starting to like this telling bloody great untruths.

PS The only bit in that last bit that was true was me laughing my head off.

There was a film on the TV yesterday called Liar, Liar which when I first saw it I thought it must be about Johnson and his mates but it turned out to be a soppy kids film about a lawyer who could only tell the truth and let us be honest about this a lawyer always telling the truth is about as unlikely as an honest word from a Tory.
 
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We have the Russian interference report to come. Apparently it's just been cleared for publication. Amazing timing!
 
Beddytare said:
I can’t help feeling Corbyn’s hands were tied a bit by bad planning. He did say he was neutral on Brexit. I have the feeling the Tories realised that would be an advantage to them. In a way they were correct. Sadly the people wanted it over and done with although I’m surprised Corbyn hadn’t cottoned on to this. I can’t think of any other reason for Labours poor performance.
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Labour lost the election for a number of reasons Beddy, but you are right in that Corbyn being neutral on Brexit was a very bad move. The Tories also appeal to racists, the selfish and the stupid, although not everyone who voted for them are racist, selfish and stupid. Just enough of them are to make a difference. The biggest problem Labour had was that a lot of people just don't trust Corbyn. Continue to smear someone for 30 years and a lot of it will stick. I don't think that is something Corbyn can get round. Personally, I like Jeremy Corbyn very much, and yes I do trust him.

People who can't see past the 'Get Brexit Done' lie, and all the other bullshit the Tories come out with are the same sort of people who can't see past the colour of someone's skin, or their foreign accent. It's called stupidity born out of ignorance, and unfounded and unjustifiable prejudice is a disease of our time, encouraged by the right wing media.

This country has turned quite nasty and it's going to get a lot worse for those who don't fit in with the new Tory narrative.


PS ..... I am of Jewish decent and I never had an issue with Jeremy Corbyn or John McDonnell. My aunt is a very high profile Jewish opera singer and she also voted Labour, calling the storm over Semitism being rife in the Labour Part as baseless lies being pushed by a Zionist agenda, which the Conservative Party supports.
 
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Corbyn has never been neutral,on Brexit. As a Bennite it was a core principle. Tony Benn and Enoch.
 
The Labour Party in house politics seem already organised to ease in Rebecca Long - Bailey. I was seriously thinking of rejoining the Party and vote for Jess Phillips, but I've just wasted a vote in voting Labour last Thursday. Do I want to waste £30 of my pension when another McClusky backed loser is likely to be rubber stamped..? Deeply depressing..
 
It seems that you are too late. They are apparently making Election Day last Thursday as the cut off point for new members voting. It's a Momentum trick to prevent any electable candidate winning the leadership and ensuring that their candidate, in this case Rebecca LB wins.
 
So Johnson has announced an exciting Cabinet, eh? What is the betting that Mogg and Leadsom will resign within three months as Johnson´s Brexit is bound to fall short of their hard-line expectations!!
 
I don't think they will know it has failed by then. The line is that he's going to go for cake and eat it. The EU will tell him to take a hike and talks will probably collapse. Then it's down to whether he has the bottle to no deal or not. I think as he has an eighty majority he will trim and tell the ERG to feck off.
 
Kaito said:
PS ..... I am of Jewish decent and I never had an issue with Jeremy Corbyn or John McDonnell. My aunt is a very high profile Jewish opera singer and she also voted Labour, calling the storm over Semitism being rife in the Labour Part as baseless lies being pushed by a Zionist agenda, which the Conservative Party supports.
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The people who claim to have voted against Corbyn for being anti-Semitic would mostly not care if it were true, being somewhat prone to antisemitism themselves.

No one believes they are bigots. They think it’s just the truth. And their whole lives, people have been calling them bigots are making them feel bad for simple stating fundamental truths about race and religion. That is what makes them so mad.

Now these people finally have politicians openly saying the same things they’ve always felt but been attacked for thinking or saying. They like people like Trump or Johnson because they “tell it like it is.” They don’t hate Corbyn for being anti-Semitic, they hate him for knowing the truth about those awful Jews but not being willing enough to own it publicly.

Trump’s cabinet is filled with literal neo-Nazis and they love it. But they level charges of anti-semiskilled at the Democrats all the time.
 
Farked19 said:
I don't think they will know it has failed by then. The line is that he's going to go for cake and eat it. The EU will tell him to take a hike and talks will probably collapse. Then it's down to whether he has the bottle to no deal or not. I think as he has an eighty majority he will trim and tell the ERG to feck off.
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Unlike his days when he was so opposed to May´s deal, he has to take the responsibility for shaping Brexit, and it is one that has to be favourable to business. He has been informed by all business sectors of the likely fall out if he goes for a "hard one."
 
I am more hopeful than you guys about the racism thing.

I have no doubt that this government has enabled racism a lot more than is normal or sane, but I dont believe it was the key factor in the voting.

I believe the key factor, as ever in voting for the tories, is self-preservation. They have spun a wonderful media narrative (for decades)that Corbyn and the labour party will steal your hard earned money and tax you until you're skint.

This narrative is amplified by the media, playing into the fact that the working class do feel constricted, as a result of globalisation. I dont feel that skin colour racism is at fault for that.

And who knows, maybe Corbyn's left wing policies may have hurt the economy? A lot of businesses may have left. That is a valid concern.
 
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Schad said:
I suspect that it'll increase, if anything. There will be nods toward the centre, but the casual racism is the point. The voting pattern in this election looks awfully like that which has reordered American politics: older, white working-class voters, particularly those in post-industrial regions, shifting rightward. The political left skewing toward cities, the educated, and younger voters. The old ordering principles are breaking down, and what emerges in their place will be nastier by half.
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You can probably add Australia to that assessment. The English speaking world seems to be in thrall to something ugly right now. Maybe Canada is the exception.

I’m hoping Johnson will dial down the anti migrant undertones now he’s got his majority, but I’m not holding my breath.
 
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