Doctoring videos now. How much more despicable and desperate will they get over the next few weeks?
Is there a limit?
Is there a limit?
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Labour to make an announcement on the WASPI women. My wife is one so I await with baited breath.
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I have a funny feeling that Corbyn will win by quite a substantial majority. Everyone is assuming that Boris will win but the fact of the matter is that he will lose seats like Winchester to the Liberals meaning that to increase his majority he will need to make gains in the traditional labour seats in the North which is unfeasible. On top of this, I think Farage will also dilute the Brexit vote albeit not really make any inroads in Westminster. I cannot see the Brexit Party winning any seats but all Farage needs to say is that the Tories have failed on three occasions (might be four? ) to get Brexit through and that if people vote for him, he will deliver. I expect his to erode the Tory vote. The problem is that papers like the Express and Mail are now backing Johnson which might not help and perhaps have contributed to what is alleged to be a collapse in the Brexit Party Vote. I still think Farage has a role to play in diluting the appeal of Boris.
It is already quite fascinating to see how this campaign is developing. As far as I can see it, a lot of the more moderate Conservative MPs are leaving the sinking ship. Last week a swathe of female MPs decided not to stand and Hammond has made the decision not to stand tonight. Who are their biggest personalities? It is Gove, Boris and Rees-Mogg - three individuals who are generally loathed. The media is all too willing to take pot shots at Boris and it has to be said he is easy sport. There is no way he is going to go through the whole of November and half of December without something coming out of the woodwork to destroy him. It will happen.
The comments made by JRM this morning would , in normal circumstances, have resulted in him being dismissed. David Lammy has called for him to be fired but I think that he will remain and in doing so continue to be a liability despite being in a position that should be untenable. However, his remarks today are a godsend for Labour and I think he will prove to be a massive liability that will continue to alienate voters. I understand that JRMs seat is one of those considered to be at risk although I was interested to learn last week about Ali Milani who is poised to challenge Boris for his own seat. It is by no means certain that Boris will be returned in his constituency as Uxbridge has a 30% BAME constituency which, in most cases, usually means a Labour MP is returned. Milani is young and characteristic and some people are tipping him to beat Boris. If Milani wins, it will not necessarily be an upset given the composition of the electorate. It is worthwhile checking out Milani on YouTube -someone with charisma and the common touch. At 25, he is a star for the future.
The anti-Johnson sentiment is in danger of becoming over-whelming and it is a shame that Jeremy does not have more charisma because we could potentially be talking of a repeat of 1997 if the people could warm to him more.
I cannot help but seeing Alice from "The Vicar of Dibley" whenever Swinson opens her mouth. That might explain her difficulties.
I am sorry to say that ideas of an overall majority for Labour are pie in the sky. It has however been a good start and if Labour can keep to within 8% of the Tories in share of the vote than tactical voting should ensure that they are deprived of a majority, that is a realistic aim. If it happens the effect on the Tory party will be catastrophic. There will be nowhere for them to go and I think they will fragment in a storm of recriminations. A good day yesterday with a couple of meaty scandals with JRM and the Welsh pillock. Let's hope that Farage can get traction, every per cent off the Pfeffel vote is another ten or a dozen seats lost.
If only that we’re her only difficulty, I’m sorry but I cannot take her policies or views with any degree of seriousness.
Warm to him, I don’t think so, we now have a very sad situation with the choice and variety of politicians before us being the poorest for many years. I remember Michael Foot’s attempt back in the 70-80’s to persuade us all to raise the red flag and that didn’t end well. David Steel’s attempt to be part of government, hardly a massive success either. I would wish we had a less divisive figure than Johnson in charge of our party, but just now, not likely to see any change. So it’ll be for me a difficult decision this time and a closer look at the credibility of the policies in my own space and time, unaffected by the press or the rest of the media. Right now there’s a great deal of disbelief in all the offerings so it could come down to who is likely to be further up the scale of believability
Hopefully, your party is rapidly losing any remaining traces of credibility and will be wiped out. Even failing to obtain a majority amounts to the same thing. I can’t believe anyone other than the super rich will support the Tories, and if they can’t achieve Brexit, even they will desert them.
Regarding the JRM/Bridgen Affair I think it isn't all that it seems. It has all the hallmarks of a Cummings special operation and I think it was planned to pan out exactly as it has. The target was the 10% or so of Brexit party voters, the kind of people who probably had cardboard models of Grenfell on their bonfires last night.
That cohort will be charmed by the characterisation of council flat dwelling BAME people as dimwitted ne'er do wells who deserved it.
That cohort will be charmed by the characterisation of council flat dwelling BAME people as dimwitted ne'er do wells who deserved it.
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At the rate the Tories are going , they will have no one left to stand!
It is fascinating trying to understand how Johnson seems to have any traction with anyone. As an outsider to the Conservatives, the immediate impression I am getting is that the situation mirrors the Labour Party predicament insofar that the members have elected a leadership with whom the majority of parliamentary members are at odds. I feel that the number of MPs standing down in the Conservative Party is more to do with tacit dissatisfaction with Boris than with a degree of frustration with Brexit. The "Rump" of Tories in charge seem hell-bent on pursuing a populist agenda that they have ceased to recognise that the bulk of the population has moved on insofar that the "Remain" is very much the preferred option. I work in a "professional" environment and never really encountered more than a handful of people who were for it in the first place. I am now seeing a situation where everyone sees it as a very bad idea indeed. Not only does Boris seem marooned by general opinion but he is starting to seem like an outsider within his own political party.
The first week of the campaign has been more of a nightmare for the Conservatives than it was with Theresa May. I think that Johnson's credibility and ratings are only going to go one way on this campaign. A large portion of the public finds him off-putting and he is equally divisive amongst Tory voters. At one point, as Mayor of London, he had a degree of energy about him which seemed unsurmountable. By contrast, he now looks fatigued and all enthusiasm and lustre has lost credibility to be replaced by someone the press is relishing watching made error after error.
Yeah I saw that earlier and had a little smile, wonder how much that will cost them.