The pfeffel/ pole dancer affair is gathering pace. Now been referred to the Greater London Authority.
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I expect Boris will refuse to appear before the GLA investigation panel, just as Cummings - who was found in contempt of Parliament btw - refused to appear before the HoC select committee.
That’s how these guys behave - the guys running the country, or trying to.
The politicians are really going after Boris aren't they.?..........Trying to discredit him every turn..........People may not like him but from the people I have spoken to they are having a lot more sympathy for the man. They are also saying that Corbyn is not the man to lead this country......So who the heck is? Is there anyone out there that you can trust.........?????
Are these people you have spoken to trying to say they feel sympathy for him because it is not nice to be undone in the media from a humane perspective, or feel sympathy for him and suggesting he is good for the job?
Two different things. It’s not nice anyone being attacked (for personal things) but that should not cloud anyone’s opinion on whether they do a good job.
I sympathised with the way Michael Foot was hammered for being a scruffy git and the way John Major was lambasted for being grey and dull, but it didn’t make me change my opinion of how they did their jobs.
Swallowed it whole haven’t you Beddy? These “people” you speak to, would they be the ones reading the Daily Mail? Boris Johnson was found, unanimously by a panel of the 11 most senior judges in the country, to have broken the law. Didn’t the people you speak to tell you that bit?
I have a simple rule in life: if someone is a figure of hatred in the Express or the Mail, they must be OK. So Jeremy Corbyn is a good guy in my book.
Here’s the link on the BBC page. It’s now been referred to the Police Watchdog Committee because when it happened, Boris was the equivalent of Police Commissioner as part of his London Mayor duties.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49859321
No doubt Beddy’s people will tell him this never happened, of course.
Poor Boris, always being picked on...
I didn't say I agreed for goodness sake.........It was just a reaction to the conversations.............I repeat I am no lover of Boris or his cronies.......Incidentally not that I know them all that well but some were/are Labour voters and belong to the local labour club.............Which I do not belong to nor the local conservative club........
If Boris was a private citizen, and was shown up time and time again for being corrupt, inept and immoral, he'd be dragged through the press for the scumbag that he is.
Because the current alternative to him is viewed by the money men as being bad for their plans to fleece the country to make themselves even richer, the press not only protect Boris but smear his opponents at every opportunity to make it seem like Boris is the sensible choice to lead us.
Because of this, his fellow politicians are doing the job that the media should be doing...
I just cannot believe the sheer stupidity of people who think that Boris is doing his best for the country and the normal tax paying public, and not dancing to the tune of his financiers and backers to get the best deal for them.
Corbyn's policies are sometimes easy to ridicule, because he is a socialist (and a committed one at that) and socialism is seen as the Devil by the money men because it redistributes wealth...
Corbyn's biggest problem is that the Labour Party is not a socialist party in that it is still riddled with neo-liberal Blairite capitalists who are just as scared of socialism as the dangerous men backing Boris. Because the party isn't united, it is struggling to provide a coherent opposition, hence Corbyn is portrayed as a fence sitting Marxist with unrealistic goals.
I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly isn't Boris and his cronies. I'd sooner take a Gamble on a government for the people led by Corbyn that may make mistakes rather than one that is actively trying to oppress and impoverish the very people that make up the population.
Because the current alternative to him is viewed by the money men as being bad for their plans to fleece the country to make themselves even richer, the press not only protect Boris but smear his opponents at every opportunity to make it seem like Boris is the sensible choice to lead us.
Because of this, his fellow politicians are doing the job that the media should be doing...
I just cannot believe the sheer stupidity of people who think that Boris is doing his best for the country and the normal tax paying public, and not dancing to the tune of his financiers and backers to get the best deal for them.
Corbyn's policies are sometimes easy to ridicule, because he is a socialist (and a committed one at that) and socialism is seen as the Devil by the money men because it redistributes wealth...
Corbyn's biggest problem is that the Labour Party is not a socialist party in that it is still riddled with neo-liberal Blairite capitalists who are just as scared of socialism as the dangerous men backing Boris. Because the party isn't united, it is struggling to provide a coherent opposition, hence Corbyn is portrayed as a fence sitting Marxist with unrealistic goals.
I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly isn't Boris and his cronies. I'd sooner take a Gamble on a government for the people led by Corbyn that may make mistakes rather than one that is actively trying to oppress and impoverish the very people that make up the population.
One addendum I’d make to that analysis, is that while the Parliamentary Labour Party is packed with Blairite liberals, the grass roots is considerably more Socialist in outlook. That’s the true cause imo of a lot of the tension within the Labour Party.
The situation is somewhat complicated by the fact that this Socialist base is for the most part unequivocally pro Remain, while the leadership is not.
Despite all these tensions, inevitable in any democratic institution, the Labour Party has done a far better job than the Tories have, of maintaining unity and achieving compromise - something the press are extremely unlikely ever to acknowledge.
I completely agree Archers. I didn't want to even start on the differences between grassroots and parliamentary Labour because I'd still be typing out my first post and I needed to stop it before it turned into an incoherent rant.
Thought you people might find this interesting. I emailed my MP Caroline Nokes again the other day, shortly after Buffoon's inability to apologise for his words. Previously, when Caroline was in line with government policy, I'd had a small email exchange regarding the poor communication during the EU Referendum. She towed the government line, and frankly I got little out of her. Since then she has been thrown out of the government. Today I received a reply to my latest.
She said that she has had to be resilient these last few weeks, and still has grave reservations over whether a new referendum would not make the UK even more divisive [this is undoubtedly true], although given the level to which we sank this week she is not sure that we can sink any lower anyway.
However, we may well end up having another referendum vote, "and like you I recognise we are better off in the EU than out, and it is a huge pity that people did not see that in 2016"
That quote is a change of direction. This is her personal opinion. Not towing the government line. Before, I had pushed her on this and she was unbending on our withdrawal from the EU, but now she has nothing to lose. She has stopped putting her career above her beliefs and principles. She has gone up in my estimation. I've never felt represented by her before, now I feel that she's moved a little to my side.
Those 21 Tory MPs that have had the whip removed may well end up saving this country.
She said that she has had to be resilient these last few weeks, and still has grave reservations over whether a new referendum would not make the UK even more divisive [this is undoubtedly true], although given the level to which we sank this week she is not sure that we can sink any lower anyway.
However, we may well end up having another referendum vote, "and like you I recognise we are better off in the EU than out, and it is a huge pity that people did not see that in 2016"
That quote is a change of direction. This is her personal opinion. Not towing the government line. Before, I had pushed her on this and she was unbending on our withdrawal from the EU, but now she has nothing to lose. She has stopped putting her career above her beliefs and principles. She has gone up in my estimation. I've never felt represented by her before, now I feel that she's moved a little to my side.
Those 21 Tory MPs that have had the whip removed may well end up saving this country.
I'd sooner see Corbyn as PM so wouldn't know how to answer that Beddy. If an interim PM does happen, I don't want it to be somebody using it as a career opportunity so that rules out most of the self-serving ****ers that would be offering their services
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Due to a reduction in incentives, the UK is one of only three countries [Slovenia, Latvia, UK] in the EU and EFTA where the percentage of electric vehicles has so far reduced compared to this time last year. In all other countries there have been increases or stability. Notable examples are Norway, of course, with 46.6% in 2018 and in 2019 56.2% of all new cars registered. Iceland, Sweden, the Netherlands have also made big incremental jumps. Others have gone up in small incremental points. Even Germany has more EVs sold in 2019 than this time last year, and they only make a few electrified cars.
We're going backwards in the UK on several metrics, and it's down to government policy.
We're going backwards in the UK on several metrics, and it's down to government policy.
That post is the best news I’ve had all week TSS, thanks for sharing your conversation.
I think also that 10 years of austerity policies plus uncertainty over Brexit has meant that most working class families couldn't afford to buy an EV, even if they'd like to. I'm certainly in that group after a decade of wage stagnation.
My current car cost me £2k - I possibly could have upped my budget, but not to the levels of even the cheapest new EVs and there aren't enough 2nd hand ones floating around for prices to be affordable. I live 25 miles from work. Public transport can't get me there and back anywhere close to my normal working day so my car is essential. I could move closer to work, but house prices are much more expensive anywhere near Bath so transport savings would be swallowed up by housing costs - plus my wife works relatively local to where we live so she'd have to travel further if we moved. Public transport doesn't work for her either and although we live 6 miles from where she works, the earliest bus isn't early enough for her to get to work for 8:00 so consequently we need 2 cars which makes EV alternatives even more of a pipe dream.
Either Ken Clarke or Harriet Harman, or maybe Caroline Lucas. Any of them would be fine,