Off Topic Politics Thread

[San Tejón]

Have to say that the way things are turning out, I am reminded of Muhammad Ali and his famous rope-a-dope victory.
Would make a great video if someone could superimpose Corbyn and Spaffer’s faces on the fight footage.

 

[----HistoryRepeating----]

Except there will be no winners here.

 

[Archers Road]

Except there will be no winners here.

No, there won’t. But it is vitally important for the future of this country that Boris Johnson is utterly defeated, and held to account for his scandalous attempts to drive a metaphorical tank through the middle of Parliament.

 

[Schad]

I disagree. Despite every effort by our appallingly biased media in this country to portray Labour as hopeless divided and Corbyn as useless, the Labour Party under JC has actually kept it’s discipline remarkably well. This is without doubt a tribute to the leadership, which is the only party leadership in Britain to even attempt to unite both sides of the Brexit rift which has split the country in two.

If you examine the Labour Party’s slowly shifting position throughout the last 3 years objectively, ignoring the clamour from all sides intended to discredit JC, it reflects genuine efforts to re-unite a disunited Kingdom. Consistently criticised for “sitting on the fence” and being slow to pick a side, the Labour leadership is in fact the only leadership trying to reach across the gulf dividing communities up and down the country.

I'll disagree with this. In theory, I'm in favour of bridging divides and bringing people together, but I'm not sure that Labour has accomplished that, nor that Labour believes that it can: the lack of a concrete stance seems to reflect a belief that there isn't really a position that can unify the opposed factions, and the results is that (at least for now) the party has bled quite a bit of support in the polls.

And that loss of support, unfortunately, represents a large part of the impetus for this insane brinkmanship: Boris doesn't care about Brexit, Boris cares about Boris, and right now he thinks that he has more to gain by forcing an election than he has to lose.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

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[----HistoryRepeating----]

Right at this moment, I'd take the contemptible Cameron still at the helm & 2016's BS vote never taking place. Its hard to believe its panned out in such a divisive chaotic manner. I don't think politics is ever getting over this stain.

 

[Archers Road]

I'll disagree with this. In theory, I'm in favour of bridging divides and bringing people together, but I'm not sure that Labour has accomplished that, nor that Labour believes that it can: the lack of a concrete stance seems to reflect a belief that there isn't really a position that can unify the opposed factions, and the results is that (at least for now) the party has bled quite a bit of support in the polls.

And that loss of support, unfortunately, represents a large part of the impetus for this insane brinkmanship: Boris doesn't care about Brexit, Boris cares about Boris, and right now he thinks that he has more to gain by forcing an election than he has to lose.

The party has bled support in the polls for a number of reasons, but I am certain the relentless, sustained smear campaign aimed at vilifying Jeremy Corbyn from every corner of the UK media, including the BBC, is the main reason.

Given the extent of the right wing bias in British media, and the power and influence of the forces lined up against it, it's a miracle the Labour Party is ever able to form a government. Indeed the last time it did so, it moved so far towards the centre ground that socialism had genuinely become a dirty word. Which in this country, it never was.

Fortunately (for me anyway) I believe in miracles. And god knows Britain needs one now.

 

[Schad]

The party has bled support in the polls for a number of reasons, but I am certain the relentless, sustained smear campaign aimed at vilifying Jeremy Corbyn from every corner of the UK media, including the BBC, is the main reason.

Given the extent of the right wing bias in British media, and the power and influence of the forces lined up against it, it's a miracle the Labour Party is ever able to form a government. Indeed the last time it did so, it moved so far towards the centre ground that socialism had genuinely become a dirty word. Which in this country, it never was.

Fortunately (for me anyway) I believe in miracles. And god knows Britain needs one now.

I would buy that if it'd been a continual thing, but Labour's collapse (alongside the Conservative collapse under May) too closely parallels the Lib Dems/Greens taking up the anti-Brexit mantle, while the Brexit Party briefly seized the initiative on the other side before Boris pushed the Conservatives to the lunatic fringe.

I don't begrudge Corbyn having taken his time to sort out the divisions, but he surrendered the initiative to other parties in the centre and left in so doing. This is ultimately a one-issue campaign, assuming it happens, and his is the only party whose position on that issue is not ironclad.

 

[TheSecondStain]

I think they’re all a bit busy right now.

Mine wasn't too busy to reply:

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Dear Andy,

Thank you for your email and I very much appreciate the supportive messages I have had from constituents.
I cannot pretend the decision I took to vote against the Government yesterday was an easy one. But I feel very strongly that Parliament DOES have an important democratic role to play, not least by having enough time to scrutinise the Prime Minister’s No Deal preparations.

I am, of course, very sorry that the Conservative Whip was withdrawn from me. I know I was elected three times here as a Conservative. But please be assured in whatever time I have left I will work as hard as possible to continue serving the people of Romsey and Southampton North.

Best wishes

Caroline

Rt Hon Caroline Nokes MP

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[Farked19]

Corbyn did well at PMQs yesterday. Of course that could partly have been down to the paucity of his opposition. I just have a feeling that he may be a better street fighter whereas Pfeffel is (as the Daily Mail observed) more a student debater.

 

[Beddy]

What a bloody mess..........The so called parliament couldn't decide how to proceed with Brexit....and yet they want to extend it while they do what they have been doing for the last couple of years......... that is still being undecided on the best way forward.
Who suggested this Brexit idea ...........How do they think they are going to get a different deal other than what's on the table.........The EU have got us by the short a curly's no doubt about that........

 

[VocalMinority]

What a bloody mess..........The so called parliament couldn't decide how to proceed with Brexit....and yet they want to extend it while they do what they have been doing for the last couple of years......... that is still being undecided on the best way forward.
Who suggested this Brexit idea ...........How do they think they are going to get a different deal other than what's on the table.........The EU have got us by the short a curly's no doubt about that........

Boris doesn't really think he will get a new deal. All politicians know resolving the border in NI without a border somewhere or customs union is impossible. He just wants to blame the EU for no deal. Really this election will be a choice between: A straight no deal(because conservatives have kicked out those opposed to it) and a referendum between no deal, May's deal and remaining. Maybe with added customs union etc options.

 

[TheSecondStain]

What a bloody mess..........The so called parliament couldn't decide how to proceed with Brexit....and yet they want to extend it while they do what they have been doing for the last couple of years......... that is still being undecided on the best way forward.
Who suggested this Brexit idea ...........How do they think they are going to get a different deal other than what's on the table.........The EU have got us by the short a curly's no doubt about that........

Err... there were quite a few of us who anticipated something like this from day one.
If Parliament seems to be in turmoil it is because they are attempting to honour a 52-48% fudged exit vote. A 2016 snapshot of public opinion which has since utterly reversed, and MPs know it.

 

[Beddy]

Err... there were quite a few of us who anticipated something like this from day one.
If Parliament seems to be in turmoil it is because they are attempting to honour a 52-48% fudged exit vote. A 2016 snapshot of public opinion which has since utterly reversed, and MPs know it.

I think it’s more likely that neither political party wants to come out in the first place. They’ve dragged their heels to persuade us not to come out. Therefore getting what they wanted in the first place despite what was voted for!,

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Err... there were quite a few of us who anticipated something like this from day one.
If Parliament seems to be in turmoil it is because they are attempting to honour a 52-48% fudged exit vote. A 2016 snapshot of public opinion which has since utterly reversed, and MPs know it.

A vote that was proved to be rigged by illegal social media targeting of floating voters. If the referendum hadn’t been merely an advisory one, it would have been declared null and void. Time to end this farce once and for all.


People’s Vote Now!

 

[ChilcoSaint]

In other news, Jo Johnson, brother of the Prime Member, has quit as a minister and Tory MP.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793

Rats leaving.....?

 

[StJabbo1]

Err... there were quite a few of us who anticipated something like this from day one.
If Parliament seems to be in turmoil it is because they are attempting to honour a 52-48% fudged exit vote. A 2016 snapshot of public opinion which has since utterly reversed, and MPs know it.

Right enough TS2 plenty of historical posts to confirm. The fraudulent referendum of 2016 has no relevance today.

 

[VocalMinority]

I think it’s more likely that neither political party wants to come out in the first place. They’ve dragged their heels to persuade us not to come out. Therefore getting what they wanted in the first place despite what was voted for!,

If leavers weren't dragging their heels to try and get no deal we would have left.

As Ken pointed out, he's voted to leave in parliament more times than Boris and the ERG.

 

[TheSecondStain]

I think it’s more likely that neither political party wants to come out in the first place. They’ve dragged their heels to persuade us not to come out. Therefore getting what they wanted in the first place despite what was voted for!,

52-48% is hardly resounding. Hence the status quo.

EDIT: I'll add to that. If the vote had been 75-25% or even 70-30%, this would have been all ever years ago. But MPs actually do take their responsibilities seriously. And despite anyone's opinion of those who represent us in Parliament, MOST have decent brains that can steer their way through the chaff of confusion, unlike much of the general electorate, who either don't know all the ramifications, unless they look really hard, or they don't want to know.

Democracy is as effective as the effort you put in. If you don't care, there are plenty of people around who will whisk it away from you [like Farage, Trump, etc...] while you're watching Eastenders, [Insert Nation]'s Got Talent , or whatever garbage people watch on their TVs these days.

 

[TheSecondStain]

Do we stand a chance when much of the tabloid paper media is already condemming Jeremy Corbyn for rejecting a General Election? They deliberately miss the point that he hasn't rejected one. Just that he doesn't trust the Tories as far as distance between two swords, and why would he? He demands that the new Bill comes in being before a General Election proceeds. Totally rational view, given the plotting and deception from those in power.

Here is an example of the garbage much of the population swallow every day. You can read that three [maybe 4] newspapers report the actual news. None of which is a tabloid rag:

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