Off Topic Politics Thread

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fatletiss said:
You can’t count that as voting leave twice!
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Ok, so how did the Lib-Dems perform then, the party, who to be fair, have always supported remain? The point is if remain was such an essential policy then, why did the vast majority vote for parties who clearly stated they would take us out of Europe.
 
Brinkworth Saint said:
Ok, so how did the Lib-Dems perform then, the party, who to be fair, have always supported remain? The point is if remain was such an essential policy then, why did the vast majority vote for parties who clearly stated they would take us out of Europe.
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Well actually, although they didn't shout it from the rooftops, Labour was/is a Remain party. Recently they came out and firmly reiterated that stance.
 
StJabbo1 said:
Three points Brinks, without irritation.
1. I asked if you were advocating a no deal exit, it's a simple yes or no answer.
2. I live in the Netherlands and have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances British, European and international the vast majority think, after the three plus years of fruitless negotiation, another referendum is the way to go. Particularly after watching The Great Hack and being amused and applauding the led by donkeys twitter feed.
3. When we have Dominic Cummings and other shadows manipulating government I find it hard to reconcile your non-elected, negotiated into position statement. Surely we are better staying in the EU and having an influence on law making that will affect the UK and also working on the necessary reforms.
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You asked so I’ll answer. If leaving without a deal means planning across the nation in business and elsewhere can at least get started v endless extensions then yes leave without a deal. If there is any chance that in the next few weeks a chance comes to get a deal we should take it. We’ve already seen a deal rejected 3 times by the House of Commons so it would be fascinating to finally arrive at a place where they at least agree to move forward.
 
Brinkworth Saint said:
You asked so I’ll answer. If leaving without a deal means planning across the nation in business and elsewhere can at least get started v endless extensions then yes leave without a deal. If there is any chance that in the next few weeks a chance comes to get a deal we should take it. We’ve already seen a deal rejected 3 times by the House of Commons so it would be fascinating to finally arrive at a place where they at least agree to move forward.
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That's what the Lemmings said, and where are they now?
 
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Brinkworth Saint said:
You asked so I’ll answer. If leaving without a deal means planning across the nation in business and elsewhere can at least get started v endless extensions then yes leave without a deal. If there is any chance that in the next few weeks a chance comes to get a deal we should take it. We’ve already seen a deal rejected 3 times by the House of Commons so it would be fascinating to finally arrive at a place where they at least agree to move forward.
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I couldn't disagree more, no deal a disaster in so many ways hence the strength of opposition across the board. The next few hours/days are vital we'll see how it pans out. Looks so far the hardcore cadre are being frustrated with a delay bill on the way to being introduced. I find myself loathing Cummings (and Gove) not a usual thing at all for me at all. The more that comes into public knowledge the more unsavoury they become. There was an article about their time at the education ministry that was chilling. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/03/gove-cummings-dark-arts-education-trash-country. NB verifiable links.
Oh on a lighter note any ideas for our brexit delay day party theme? Orange man and spaffer pumpkin carving already listed
 
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TheSecondStain said:
Early basic schooling teaches subjects, amongst which a grasp of numbers, words and basic concepts hopefully becomes apparent. It is only when the pupil reaches university level that rational logical thought, reasoning and critical analysis are openly encouraged. So if you want a thrifty useful workforce which will keep its head down, keep them out of Uni. If you want a workforce that can think independently for itself and challenge the accepted norms, then encourage them to go to Uni.
Thing is, in my opinion, I believe that a significant proportion of University places are just sophisticated schooling. The graduates don't emerge thinking independently and rationally. Instead they become better educated unemployed people with a ****load of debt to motivate them to work.

I feel that it's way past time for a major overhaul of education. The Victorian enhanced model hasn't been suitable for the last 15-20 years or so. We don't need anything like as many of the subjects that are taught. Apart from teaching number and concept understanding and manipulation, and several basic languages, I would spend the rest of the time on studying rational and creative thought processes, and play. Also, if your 'curriculum' is geared to encourage curiosity, confidence and open minded thinking you are going to get a much more rounded person. Pupils can become masters of critical vocations because they want to, not because they are shoehorned into doing so. Besides which, in decades to come the concept of work is going to undergo a major change anyway. So it might be an idea to learn how to think. Because there could be plenty of time for it.
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I agree with the spirit of your post, not the letter. I had a spell as a secondary English teacher and critical thinking was a fundamental part of my teaching. Once it became sausage machine teaching I packed up and did a 'proper job'.
 
By the way, if anyone else is watching the Commons debate, check out the odious Mr Rees-Mogg. He’s practically lying down on the front bench sneering contemptuously at all the anti-no-deal speakers.
 
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