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I will agree we need a good agreement.......nothing at all wrong with staying as such......... just with a few changes. Go back to the old common market agreement. Before they made us stop trading with anyone other than Europe and making our own decisions. The employment laws can stay and the open border for that matter.........The Swiss, The Norwegians can do these things so Why cant we?
Because we don't want to. We haven't even got the power to make the same trade agreements we had while in the EU, we've done 10/40 past the point we should have left and most of those being with tiny islands. We certainly don't have the power or control to improve on them without EU backing. We'll end up conceding a lot of ground to make new ones.

Leaving the EU means losing control of our trade.
 
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Do you really think I didn't consider all sides? Do you really think I wouldn't way things up? I just see things in a different way......I understand we Brexiteers are taking a hiding on here and no matter what we say you will have a different view. I expected us to be out by now.......as we should have been according to the referendum. No matter how much you retainers squeak about it there is no denying the result. The fact the government cant agree on a leave package is down to them not us!! I would prefer a leave package.......but we shouldn't have been in the **** we are in and no matter how you remainers feel you cant alter the result!! I do have sympathy for how you feel. I would probably feel the same way had you won the vote. As I say I am and always have been willing to accept negotiation on the matter.

Actually Beddy, you’ve made it sound like there is a specific reason for your decision to vote leave, that feels like it is something that would overule any consideration or weighing up you may have done. It also feels that this reason would outweigh any logical reason presented.

Just how it seems from the outside.
 
Hehe, you couldn't make this up. The EU have just signed up with Bill Gates to launch a new clean energy investment fund with €100 Million. The European Investment Bank, and Breakthrough Energy Ventures chaired by Bill Gates first signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to establish Breakthrough Energy Europe, “a joint investment fund to help innovative European companies develop and bring radically new clean energy technologies to the market,” the final product was launched as Breakthrough Energy Ventures Europe (BEV-E) during the Fourth Mission Innovation Ministerial meeting in Vancouver, Canada. Breakthrough Energy Ventures also includes the involvement of financial heavyweights such as Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, Michael Bloomberg, Virgin Group’s Richard Branson, and Executive Chairman of the Alibaba Group, Jack Ma.

Anyway, the upshot is that the UK has already contributed to this, but will get zero out of it if we leave the EU.
On the Twat to Genius scale, where do you think we lie at present. I think perhaps we need a lower level. <laugh>
 
I haven’t said it shouldn’t be in the papers or TV......Only that to me every time he is seen in a slightly favourable light. Or we haven’t been reminded for a few days of the pending court case......it makes the headlines. I certainly don’t hope he makes pm. .........and yes I do think there are those in the Tory party trying to ensure he is not in the running.

Of the 11 who have submitted their names thus far the following Will be out of the running before it comes down to the final two. Boris Johnson as he is too fat and ugly, so on photogenic grounds he is out of the running. Raab as he is too bald. Look what happened when they elected IDS, so they are unlikely to elect him either. I think Andrea Leadsom will be jettisoned as I am sure many within her own party loathe her and would not want her as party leader. The fourth one out will be Esther McVey. To much of a pipsqueak and very lightweight. I don´t think Gove will do very well as he is a notorious backstabber so he is out. Possible contenders - Stewart but probably won´t get sufficient votes from the ERG mob. Hunt … always smirking so not to be trusted he is out of the running. I am beginning to run out of candidates. Malthouse …. Who? Forget him. Sadjid …. he has managed to avoid all the controversies, although I am not sure if he was the Home Secretary at the time of the Windrush scandal, but if he wasn´t or if the blame can be shifted on to someone else he comes out as "squeaky clean." And the Tories like to be the first party to do something …. with having had two female PMs, so why not the first British Asian. It would also be very prudent as he could well get Asian voters that normally vote for Labour to switch to the Conservatives in many of the marginals like Peterboro, the West Midlands, Reading, Southampton Test and a plethora of others.
 
Of the 11 who have submitted their names thus far the following Will be out of the running before it comes down to the final two. Boris Johnson as he is too fat and ugly, so on photogenic grounds he is out of the running. Raab as he is too bald. Look what happened when they elected IDS, so they are unlikely to elect him either. I think Andrea Leadsom will be jettisoned as I am sure many within her own party loathe her and would not want her as party leader. The fourth one out will be Esther McVey. To much of a pipsqueak and very lightweight. I don´t think Gove will do very well as he is a notorious backstabber so he is out. Possible contenders - Stewart but probably won´t get sufficient votes from the ERG mob. Hunt … always smirking so not to be trusted he is out of the running. I am beginning to run out of candidates. Malthouse …. Who? Forget him. Sadjid …. he has managed to avoid all the controversies, although I am not sure if he was the Home Secretary at the time of the Windrush scandal, but if he wasn´t or if the blame can be shifted on to someone else he comes out as "squeaky clean." And the Tories like to be the first party to do something …. with having had two female PMs, so why not the first British Asian. It would also be very prudent as he could well get Asian voters that normally vote for Labour to switch to the Conservatives in many of the marginals like Peterboro, the West Midlands, Reading, Southampton Test and a plethora of others.
I'm struggling to see how any cream could rise from this crock of ****.
 
One of the best tonics amidst all the turmoil is to listen to Jeff Young between 10 and 2 on a Sunday, or on the Cátchup facility on Jazz FM. It is the perfect antidote to everything that makes angry and sad. It is uplifting for the body and spirit as you listen to the beautiful sounds of Brazilian jazz.
 
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To be taken with a grain of salt given that no election has been called, but that's incredible. Everything within the margin of error, beyond that it would be a complete and utter clusterfuck.
 
Of the 11 who have submitted their names thus far the following Will be out of the running before it comes down to the final two. Boris Johnson as he is too fat and ugly, so on photogenic grounds he is out of the running. Raab as he is too bald. Look what happened when they elected IDS, so they are unlikely to elect him either. I think Andrea Leadsom will be jettisoned as I am sure many within her own party loathe her and would not want her as party leader. The fourth one out will be Esther McVey. To much of a pipsqueak and very lightweight. I don´t think Gove will do very well as he is a notorious backstabber so he is out. Possible contenders - Stewart but probably won´t get sufficient votes from the ERG mob. Hunt … always smirking so not to be trusted he is out of the running. I am beginning to run out of candidates. Malthouse …. Who? Forget him. Sadjid …. he has managed to avoid all the controversies, although I am not sure if he was the Home Secretary at the time of the Windrush scandal, but if he wasn´t or if the blame can be shifted on to someone else he comes out as "squeaky clean." And the Tories like to be the first party to do something …. with having had two female PMs, so why not the first British Asian. It would also be very prudent as he could well get Asian voters that normally vote for Labour to switch to the Conservatives in many of the marginals like Peterboro, the West Midlands, Reading, Southampton Test and a plethora of others.

I don’t think Sajid was Home Secretary at the time but he did say that the government needed to be open and honest about the report into Windrush - but then voted against releasing all the information.
So based on that he would be a shoo in for a Tory PM. Says one thing but does another.
 
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To be taken with a grain of salt given that no election has been called, but that's incredible. Everything within the margin of error, beyond that it would be a complete and utter clusterfuck.


Due to our fptp electoral system, you’d have to do some detailed analysis of the regional spread of those potential voters, to get any idea of how that would translate into seats.

Worth bearing in mind, for example, that Ukip have ridden high in the polls before and never had a single seat in the HoC (they probably wouldn’t turn up anyway)

The LibDems high water mark was just over 60
 
Due to our fptp electoral system, you’d have to do some detailed analysis of the regional spread of those potential voters, to get any idea of how that would translate into seats.

Worth bearing in mind, for example, that Ukip have ridden high in the polls before and never had a single seat in the HoC (they probably wouldn’t turn up anyway)

The LibDems high water mark was just over 60

One thing is certain: no one's getting a majority of seats with that sort of distribution. And I can't see two parties currently able to work together on anything more complicated than an omelette. Hell, they can't even work with themselves.