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ImpSaint said:
Lambeth Council has 63 councillors............57 of them are Labour and only 1 a Tory! It is disgusting but that is what all of our politicians (national and local, whatever party) seem to let happen.
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Lambeth has had their central government funding cut by £230 million since 2010, and are currently charged with a further £40 million reduction over the next four years. Shame on you Imps for holding the Labour Council responsible for cuts forced on them by this Tory Government.

https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/consultations/have-your-say-on-lambeth’s-budget-challenge
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
The government have now lost control of the Brexit process by losing the Letwin amendment. A series of indicative votes by secret ballot will now be held on Wednesday.
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It should never have been a government function. Leave or Remain has always been cross party. To finally have parliament in control after a "deal" has been agreed by the EU and is regarded as done and dealt is bloody daft. So parliament will agree a proposal for leaving to be put to the EU 27. All to be done before the democratic European elections. I'm hoping against hope that the fraudulent referendum is overturned and article 50 revoked. If not then another vote by the electorate.
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ImpSaint said:
Lambeth Council has 63 councillors............57 of them are Labour and only 1 a Tory! It is disgusting but that is what all of our politicians (national and local, whatever party) seem to let happen.
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Aufuckingsterity from central government, perfect **** storm they are. NHS, police and other services starved of funding. To what end? Private healthcare, outsourcing services whatever. HS2 still going ahead (let's hope not given the cost increase). Brexit catastrophy being funded to the tune of what! Enough I'm off.
 
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Remind me which government's austerity programs have left local councils countrywide inflicting pain and suffering on tho least able to cope with it. It's a national ****ing disgrace.
 
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Another 3 government ministers resigned in order to support the Letwin amendment last night. May has now had more resignations in less than 3 years than Blair or Thatcher in the whole of their premierships.

Winston Churchill
Anthony Eden
Harold Macmillan
Alec Douglas-Home
Harold Wilson
Edward Heath
Jim Callaghan
Margaret Thatcher
John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

Those are the British Prime Ministers whose rule I have lived through. I disagreed with most of them, some to the point of marching the streets or refusing to pay taxes. But of all of them, Theresa May stands alone in her utter intransigence and complete incompetence.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Another 3 government ministers resigned in order to support the Letwin amendment last night. May has now had more resignations in less than 3 years than Blair or Thatcher in the whole of their premierships.

Winston Churchill
Anthony Eden
Harold Macmillan
Alec Douglas-Home
Harold Wilson
Edward Heath
Jim Callaghan
Margaret Thatcher
John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

Those are the British Prime Ministers whose rule I have lived through. I disagreed with most of them, some to the point of marching the streets or refusing to pay taxes. But of all of them, Theresa May stands alone in her utter intransigence and complete incompetence.
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Blimey you’re old.... <laugh><laugh><laugh>


Only joking Chilcs!!!
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Another 3 government ministers resigned in order to support the Letwin amendment last night. May has now had more resignations in less than 3 years than Blair or Thatcher in the whole of their premierships.

Winston Churchill
Anthony Eden
Harold Macmillan
Alec Douglas-Home
Harold Wilson
Edward Heath
Jim Callaghan
Margaret Thatcher
John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

Those are the British Prime Ministers whose rule I have lived through. I disagreed with most of them, some to the point of marching the streets or refusing to pay taxes. But of all of them, Theresa May stands alone in her utter intransigence and complete incompetence.
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I am of a similar vintage. The three standout PMs from that list for me are Harold Wilson, Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher.

Today we can see there are parallels between Wilson and Corbyn in their treatment from the press. Like Corbyn, Wilson came from the left, and so the usual suspects ran scare stories about the economy and of course Wilson being a Soviet agent. Didn´t work as he won 4 elections.

As for Blair, he was the spin master of publicity. But there were positives - the Good Friday agreement, the implementation of the mínimum wage and a whole raft of social measures such as more time off for new parents. He also deflected criticism from the Iraq debacle by institutionalising "Armed Forces Day."

And what of Thatcher? The positives for me being her fury in the wake of the Luton and Brussels football riot and tradegy, and then legislation following Hillsborough. And the principle of the National Curriculum.
 
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davecg69 said:
Just saw this in Twitter and, must confess,I completely agree with it -

“After Brexit, whatever happens, we need to have a massive rethink about how we all elected about 600 out of 650 MPs who are less competent and have less moral sense than the average hamster”
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So where do you believe you will find competence and moral sense?

The electorate, who voted Leave widely based on various incompetent and immoral beliefs?

The media, who are very competent at getting the electorate to believe in them more than our parliamentary democracy while feigning sham morality?

This is Cameron inspired, May engineered, far right supported screw up and I lay the blame where it deserves to be

The rest of parliament, though not perfect, have been placed in an impossible situation by the power of the ‘people’s referendum’

We are a Parliamentary Democracy so Parliament will have to decide, leave, stay or vote again
 
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Beddytare said:
Now what do you recon? (Not what you hope for) what are the alternatives on offer that you would accept.......???
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For me, rescind article 50 would be the perfect response, even if it carries a caveat stating that another referendum would be held, so that the public could make a better, more informed decision. But the ballot paper would need to include more than Leave or Remain. List various options and then maybe have a Ranked Choice system to see which choice gets the biggest vote and then we just bite the bullet. That so many economists are saying that a No Deal would be extremely damaging, I think it should be ruled out.
Alternatively Norway+, although that would probably be less beneficial than rescinding article 50, as we wouldn’t be participating in setting EU policies that we would have to follow.
 
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Rescind Article 50. This relieves the time pressure upon the decision making process and means that decisions can be made in a calm, reflected manner, not in a panicked state. It also prevents the threat of No Deal / No Brexit being used to blackmail any decision.

Pass a law to force all MPs to put their shares into a blind trust that can only be used invested in the UK. This will ensure that whatever decisions occur are free(r) from vested interests. If a decision is ultimately good for the UK stocks and shares will rise, if a decision leads the UK to economic ruin, those responsible will also take a hit. (You can call this law the "Put your money where your mouth is" law, if you like.)

Make your bloody mind up about what you can all agree upon. This may involve additional public consultations, referendums and/or general elections.

Once you've decided what you're actually going to back, if the decision is still to Leave, invoke Article 50 and do it properly this time. You may need to collaborate with members from other parties.

Regardless of the decision taken, visit the areas of the country where the opposite decision was chosen. This may highlight underlying social issues such as poverty and immigration. Where scientific evidence proves such social issues exist, implement measures to address them.
 
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Archers Road said:
Lambeth has had their central government funding cut by £230 million since 2010, and are currently charged with a further £40 million reduction over the next four years. Shame on you Imps for holding the Labour Council responsible for cuts forced on them by this Tory Government.

https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/consultations/have-your-say-on-lambeth’s-budget-challenge
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So they have cuts which mean they do the above? What about Newham Labour council. Are their policies of "placemaking" due to cuts as well?

This is a long standing policy decision of these councils. The "gentrification" setup in London boroughs is much longer than austerity. Easy thing to blame it on though.
 
The council has nothing to do with it:


"The power conferred by this section to revoke or modify permission to develop land may be exercised—
(a)where the permission relates to the carrying out of building or other operations, at any time before those operations have been completed ;"

It wasn't segregated when planning permission was granted, the complaint was made after the building was finished and its considered a minor change that still follows the law as they both have a play area so theyve got nothing they can really do.
Its an abuse of our planning system by Henley Homes and Warwick Estates. I imagine Henley made the plans, got it approved built the blocks, and sold the private ones to Warwick and the Social ones to Guinness, which then decided it didn't want other residents of the estate accessing its play area.

Its like a micro Brexit.
 
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ImpSaint said:
So they have cuts which mean they do the above? What about Newham Labour council. Are their policies of "placemaking" due to cuts as well?

This is a long standing policy decision of these councils. The "gentrification" setup in London boroughs is much longer than austerity. Easy thing to blame it on though.
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This government's brutal austerity programme is absolutely to blame for slashing central govt funding to local authorities. Scratch around all you like for others to share the blame, but the buck stops squarely outside No 10 - even Cameron's mother in law saw that, when he was still the incumbent and Oxfordshire County Council had to decide which essential services to axe.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
I was only 2 when Eden took over so I don’t remember a lot about him or Churchill! Definitely remember Macmillan though, bit of a pompous old buffoon, but then they all were in those days!
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Macmillan was probably the most far seeing of all them, though his manner and bearing often got in the way of people’s judgement I’m afraid. Eden created an unnecessary war which really did damage the whole country in many different ways. Callaghan, affable as he was had no great grip on what was actually happening especially towards the conclusion of his premiership. Blair gave millions a false hope and virtually destroyed whatever he achieved in his warmongering, to the point no-one takes him seriously anymore. Brown as Chancellor, was the worst gambler of our nation with his reckless raid on defined benefit pension schemes and selling off gold when at its lowest price. Major, tried to harness the damaging wing of the Tory party and failed, Thatcher, split the country with her policies and her plus/minus effect is either still seen today by supporters or opponents. Cameron fell victim of the same problem that Major had and was cornered into calling a referendum unfortunately. Attlee created a government of great change but failed to persuade the country to continue down the same path. All have flaws and successes depending on your view. Mrs May might just yet get this deal over the line but the cost in emotion and division is immense, not all of it down to her.
 
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