Off Topic Politics Thread

[Archers Road]

Chilco's example is bad and I agree that there are limitations that weren't there before however for most people the choice of studying, living working abroad is not as easy as many are trying to paint this picture as. It really is limited to those who have money (themselves or parents/family.) But it is not impossible.

I just can't see places like Spain going along with any plan that stops free money (UK pensions) coming into their country.

There are currently no limitations on any adventurous young Briton who fancies trying their luck in Germany or France; you can just get up and go, and look for a job when you get to Berlin or Marseille. You don’t need money for that.

 

[ImpSaint]

My stepdaughter got a job as an au pair outside Madrid when she finished uni. She fell in love with Spain and taught dance and EFL in Barcelona for 4 years, and became fluent in Spanish and Catalan. No bureaucratic issues in all that time, because of our EU membership. The contrast with her brother trying to work in LA couldn’t be greater, but the gap will close after Brexit.

You don’t actually know what you’re talking about in this instance Imps.

How many of those people (like me) even young 'uns do you think the whole freedom to study and work message had any resonance in the referendum?

 

[ImpSaint]

There are currently no limitations on any adventurous young Briton who fancies trying their luck in Germany or France; you can just get up and go, and look for a job when you get to Berlin or Marseille. You don’t need money for that.

How do you look for a job in another country without money? Where do you live, how do you eat?

 

[ImpSaint]

On an Ides vein of Satire.

I just got my weekly "leavers of Britain e-leaflet" and they are talking about their last meeting in York.

Then there's a picture of a friendly smiling face. Arthur Scargill. Always thought he was a good chap

 

[Archers Road]

How many of those people (like me) even young 'uns do you think the whole freedom to study and work message had any resonance in the referendum?

I think that referendum has slammed a door in the face of any number of young people. I wouldn't want to put a number on it, but I heard a bus full of young people discussing exactly that, on my way home from work a few evenings after the referendum.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

How many of those people (like me) even young 'uns do you think the whole freedom to study and work message had any resonance in the referendum?

A huge number of young people, and they are the ones who will suffer most from the lunacy of Brexit. I am ashamed of the 17.4 million people who were deceived into voting leave, and that includes you.

 

[Archers Road]

How do you look for a job in another country without money? Where do you live, how do you eat?

When I did it, I hitched across France, and took any work I could get. I left with about 30 quid in my pocket, went hungry a few times, slept in all sorts of places. I also found the locals remarkably generous and helpful.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

How do you look for a job in another country without money? Where do you live, how do you eat?

The son of a friend of mine walked across Europe from Amsterdam to Serbia, with hardly any money. He wanted to explore the culture of hospitality among European nations, and was amazed by the generosity of everyone he met, and the interest they took in his project.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

I think that referendum has slammed a door in the face of any number of young people. I wouldn't want to put a number on it, but I heard a bus full of young people discussing exactly that, on my way home from work a few evenings after the referendum.

Just looked up the voting figures for under 25’s. Between 70 - 75% voted Remain.

Says it all. We have betrayed the next generation with this bullshit.

What a ****ing triumph!

 

[Missing Lambo]

When I did it, I hitched across France, and took any work I could get. I left with about 30 quid in my pocket, went hungry a few times, slept in all sorts of places. I also found the locals remarkably generous and helpful.

Good man. I got to Hamburg before the Beat-Less lot from Merseyside. Got a lift from Dover to there, and got a job washing up in a cafe, before using the money to travel through Europe. Hitching was considered an OK way to travel back then. So too sleeping on benches. Do wonder if "On The Road" would get written today. Sorry, being an old fart. My kids have all backpacked and stuff and done the same sort of trips.

But one of my kids then took advantage of freedom of movement to settle in France - working, Imps, not relying on Bank of Mum and Dad - and become fluent in the language and learned a lot more about life.

It's all about what's in your head, but the closing of opportunities isn't going to make that leap of imagination any easier.

 

[Archers Road]

Good man. I got to Hamburg before the Beat-Less lot from Merseyside. Got a lift from Dover to there, and got a job washing up in a cafe, before using the money to travel through Europe. Hitching was considered an OK way to travel back then. So too sleeping on benches. Do wonder if "On The Road" would get written today. Sorry, being an old fart. My kids have all backpacked and stuff and done the same sort of trips.

But one of my kids then took advantage of freedom of movement to settle in France - working, Imps, not relying on Bank of Mum and Dad - and become fluent in the language and learned a lot more about life.

It's all about what's in your head, but the closing of opportunities isn't going to make that leap of imagination any easier.

Ha, yeah. I had a beat up copy of On The Road in my pocket everywhere I went in the late 70's. My first experience of hitch hiking was a when me and a mate set out for the Devils Bridge mushroom festival in South Wales.

This one...

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Psilocybin-Festival.html

 

[AshbySaint]

What "leave campaign?" It has always been the remain orientated politicians in charge of what will happen, which way the process will go, what to ask for etc. they are still in charge. What "leave campaign?"

Even now we have one side if the house trying to pressure the opposition into backing a referendum of "the deal vs remain." and now we also have a chunk of Tory leave and remainers saying they will push for delay if the deal isn't signed and saying the only conclusion from delay will be no Brexit!!!

Yet all we hear from opponents of Brexit is talk of Bluekip or that the party is in the hands of the ERG which is laughable. The ERG can only stop a government majority but they can't stop the rest filling up the numbers. All the ERG can do is stop the government getting something through purely on government votes.

The whole process has gone away from caring in the slightest what any remainer or leaver voted, despite their constant utterances to the contrary, and their talk is all about "parliamentary arithmetic." It would be great if any of them were actually trying to reach a compromise related to what the public voted on (remain and leave) but in reality it is not anything to do with satisfying anyone in the public, merely about trying to achieve a compromise that satisfies them in there.

there is no "leave campaign" and before as well as after it was and is the remain campaign that hold the reigns and the negotiating positions. May and her civil servant are the ones in control now. Cameron and Osborne before.

The Labour moderates are now trying to push for a referendum on May's deal vs remain. Which in effect means that the side that won the vote are ignored and presented with 2 remain options. that is how our politics is now!!!

Sorry but I don’t get your comment that there isn’t a leave campaign. Of course there is and was. Living in the midlands It was clear from the start back in 2016 that the Remain had got it so badly wrong. Just by listening to the opinions in the office and seeing the numerous leave banners on the motorways. I travel a lot and it’s sad to say that I didn’t see my first Remain poster on a main arterial road until the day of the referendum. I blame Cameron for his arrogance and incompetence

 

[AshbySaint]

If they get in, they’ll attempt to implement their manifesto. Which means mad far left policies like taking the railways and water board back into public ownership, closing tax loopholes in the City, and raising taxes on the highest earners, to fund increased spending on the NHS, education and the police. That sort of far left nonsense.

And build the Vanguard ballistic missile subs but not actually buy any Trident missiles to put in them.

Also why should the highest earners pay a higher percentage of their income? If you kept it at 40% they would still pay more tax as 40% of a higher income is still more and it might stop them trying to find ways to evade paying tax. My earnings put me in the 40% tax bracket but not by a massive margin, but it means that immediately I get a pay rise or bonus almost half goes back on taxes and NIC.

 

[AshbySaint]

Sorry, if I want to travel I just get the appropriate visa whether it's India, USA or Brazil. The passport is the key. I can also buy property anywhere I want with the correct paperwork. The EU will all be accessible under a visa system. Are you suggesting you will not be able to travel anywhere again?

What a complete ball ache though!!! Needing to apply for a visa, paying for it and queuing in the non-EU queue

 

[AshbySaint]

Just looked up the voting figures for under 25’s. Between 70 - 75% voted Remain.

Says it all. We have betrayed the next generation with this bullshit.

What a ****ing triumph!

Unfortunately there was a higher percentage of the 18-24 that couldn’t be arsed to vote. If they had with same 70-75% remain vote it would have been a result to remain

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Unfortunately there was a higher percentage of the 18-24 that couldn’t be arsed to vote. If they had with same 70-75% remain vote it would have been a result to remain

I absolutely agree, especially when something like 90% of over-65’s voted.

 

[StJabbo]

No it won't.

If my kids wave their passport it gives them the right to travel to Europe (as I did) and just get a job (as I did). After Brexit it won't work like that.

My kid's passport today gives them the right to live or study wherever they want in the EU. That'll go.

My passport today gives me the right to retire to anywhere I like in the EU. Not after Brexit, it won't.

My passport today gives me and my kids the right to buy property anywhere we like in the EU. Not going to happen if you get your way.

Vin

PS. I confidently predict a response that misses the point by a mile. A nautical mile, the big one.

Sorry, if I want to travel I just get the appropriate visa whether it's India, USA or Brazil. The passport is the key. I can also buy property anywhere I want with the correct paperwork. The EU will all be accessible under a visa system. Are you suggesting you will not be able to travel anywhere again?

You missed the main points, of course you will be able to travel to Europe with a visa. The right to live, work, retire and buy property (as I have) without "the right paperwork" (whatever that will be and at what cost) will be gone.
JAB.

 

[StJabbo]

I absolutely agree, especially when something like 90% of over-65’s voted.

The overseas vote wasn't mobilised either, a second referendum would see a big change in that. Albeit there were retirees that voted leave, IE for a pay cut and loss of healthcare. ''Kin bonkers!

 

[StJabbo]

No it won't.

If my kids wave their passport it gives them the right to travel to Europe (as I did) and just get a job (as I did). After Brexit it won't work like that.

My kid's passport today gives them the right to live or study wherever they want in the EU. That'll go.

My passport today gives me the right to retire to anywhere I like in the EU. Not after Brexit, it won't.

My passport today gives me and my kids the right to buy property anywhere we like in the EU. Not going to happen if you get your way.

Vin

PS. I confidently predict a response that misses the point by a mile. A nautical mile, the big one.

It didn't take long.
JAB

 

[StJabbo]

Dear Imps, please apply to move to the US and Australia and let us know how you got on

Same for whatever EU country you might want to move to post brexit.
JAB