Off Topic Politics Thread

[San Tejón]

In other news, Russia has claimed that they have successfully tested a nuclear powered cruise missile that can fly for days, change direction, reach anywhere on the globe and is unstoppable.
I expect Trump will build a bigger wall.

 

[Archers Road]

In other news, Russia has claimed that they have successfully tested a nuclear powered cruise missile that can fly for days, change direction, reach anywhere on the globe and is unstoppable.
I expect Trump will build a bigger wall.

That's it, I'm leaving the planet. This place will do, anyone got NASA's phone number?


https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/resourc...irst-earth-size-planet-in-the-habitable-zone/

 

[SaintinSerbia]

Ford are pulling out of Europe.
Are they selling up their French gearbox factory "because of Brexit?" did they close their Belgian Mondeo operation "because of Brexit?"

“Ford Europe has been in desperate need of restructuring for at least a decade. It lost a billion dollars over the last five years, and after losing considerable market share between 2008 and 2013 it has been unable to gain any of it back since then," said Jon Gabrielsen, a market economist who pulls data from SEC filings. "The announcement today may not even be enough to turn it around independently, but may instead be preparing the way for partnerships with Volkswagen that we hope to learn more about next Tuesday.”

Nissan have not closed anything. they have pulled a car that would not sell enough to warrant building a new line. A car they already have capacity for the lower expectations of sales to be made on in Japan. They have not decided to move investment from the UK to the EU.

Jaguar Landrover has long been known to have long term problems.

Panasonic is moving 20 people!!!

Airbus is struggling. It has just announced it will stop building a plane that no-one wants.

You will have to enlighten me on the Unilever one.

Philips have already said they are restructuring and closing down many sites (not just the UK) and also stated "the decision to close Glemsford was made towards the end of 2018, but that the UK's exit from the European Union was not a deciding factor. "Clearly the timing was very difficult, but regardless of the Brexit outcome we would still be making this announcement,"

Dyson has moved a small HQ. He still employs a vast amount of people in the UK. It is also suggested that he has moved because (again car related) he is pushing into the electrical car market and thus with China being the biggest potential market is looking to set up in the far east.

And yes as above this is happening across Europe. GM Motors are pulling out, Ford are slowly doing so.

For all the talk of "because of Brexit" the reality is that companies are making all sorts of decisions like this all over the world at the moment but you want the narrative above to be true so you believe it when your list is as bad as the list a fair few pages back by people banging on about "funded by EU grants etc."

Businesses say "it isn't to do with Brexit" yet you add them to your list.

Oh Imps, there are currently 300 million cars on the roads in Europe and 250 million in China. Obviously China will overtake Europe in the future but no company is going to foresake more than half it's market. They may decide however, that to maintain that market, it's best not to manufacture the cars in a country that would decrease their profits?

 

[ImpSaint]

Oh Imps, there are currently 300 million cars on the roads in Europe and 250 million in China. Obviously China will overtake Europe in the future but no company is going to foresake more than half it's market. They may decide however, that to maintain that market, it's best not to manufacture the cars in a country that would decrease their profits?

China IS the largest market for electric cars already!!! It buys half of all electric cars currently produced.

A full on electric (or hydrogen) switch over is a long long way away. We are talking aiming to take petrol based cars off the road by 2040.

And I would lay money that China will be way ahead of most of Europe (and the US) in terms of infrastructure to be able to make the switch.

They aren't foresaking anything. full electric to any kind of scale is a long long way away. Will it be electric? Will it be hydrogen? Will it end up being a Betamax/VHS replay with a lot of fingers being burnt? Will both be burnt if something else comes along while they are still trying to advance the developments?

In the example I used r.e. Dyson I doubt he is looking at 250k vs 300k today and planning for a product that might not be even saleable in any mass quantity (due to infrastructure for 5-10 years.

Where is Volvo building its first electric car? China. Due out this year!!

Tesla's megafactory is in...........China.

The electric BMW minis to sell in China are to be built in China.

Nissan is aiming its first electric car at the Chinese market.

the entire fleet of 16,000 buses and most of the taxis in Shenzen are electric!!

 

[Osvaldorama]

I am very sceptical of any PR statement saying “Brexit isn’t to blame”. I cant see why any company would list the true business reasons behind big decisons to the general public. They will spin everything to keep as many people buying their products as possible.

Regardless, the financial uncertainty is a massive factor. Any big 50/50 decisions taken in the last two years have become 80/20 against investing in the UK.

Without knowing the inner workings of these companies fully, we will never be able to know the honest reasons. I know that if I were in charge though, I’d be choosing to reinvest inside the EU.

“Better the devil you know”.

 

[The Ides of March]

Ford are pulling out of Europe.
Are they selling up their French gearbox factory "because of Brexit?" did they close their Belgian Mondeo operation "because of Brexit?"

“Ford Europe has been in desperate need of restructuring for at least a decade. It lost a billion dollars over the last five years, and after losing considerable market share between 2008 and 2013 it has been unable to gain any of it back since then," said Jon Gabrielsen, a market economist who pulls data from SEC filings. "The announcement today may not even be enough to turn it around independently, but may instead be preparing the way for partnerships with Volkswagen that we hope to learn more about next Tuesday.”

Nissan have not closed anything. they have pulled a car that would not sell enough to warrant building a new line. A car they already have capacity for the lower expectations of sales to be made on in Japan. They have not decided to move investment from the UK to the EU.

Jaguar Landrover has long been known to have long term problems.

Panasonic is moving 20 people!!!

Airbus is struggling. It has just announced it will stop building a plane that no-one wants.

You will have to enlighten me on the Unilever one.

Philips have already said they are restructuring and closing down many sites (not just the UK) and also stated "the decision to close Glemsford was made towards the end of 2018, but that the UK's exit from the European Union was not a deciding factor. "Clearly the timing was very difficult, but regardless of the Brexit outcome we would still be making this announcement,"

Dyson has moved a small HQ. He still employs a vast amount of people in the UK. It is also suggested that he has moved because (again car related) he is pushing into the electrical car market and thus with China being the biggest potential market is looking to set up in the far east.

And yes as above this is happening across Europe. GM Motors are pulling out, Ford are slowly doing so.

For all the talk of "because of Brexit" the reality is that companies are making all sorts of decisions like this all over the world at the moment but you want the narrative above to be true so you believe it when your list is as bad as the list a fair few pages back by people banging on about "funded by EU grants etc."

Businesses say "it isn't to do with Brexit" yet you add them to your list.

Maybe Ford have a poorer product when compared with other car manufacturers. Certainly, the % of Ford cars on the roads has dropped significantly over the years compared with their heyday in the 70s when the Taunus was the King of the roads in Europe.

 

[benditlikeabanana]

Oh Imps, there are currently 300 million cars on the roads in Europe and 250 million in China. Obviously China will overtake Europe in the future but no company is going to foresake more than half it's market. They may decide however, that to maintain that market, it's best not to manufacture the cars in a country that would decrease their profits?

I can see a very bad 10 years ahead for car companies, it's a real evolve or die time for them with the switch to electric. People that get a new car every 3 years will have second thoughts about buying new as in 3 years time the amount of people buying a quality second hand petrol car will be few and far between. If private companies get their finger out and install more charging points, new petrol car production could be over in 5 years

 

[Saints_Alive]

I cannot understand how leave voters have their head so far in the sand

How many jobs, in how many sectors will have to be lost before you accept that brexit is a factor?

The trouble is that they still see us as a major World power that can compete on our own, we no longer have "the greatest" empire and are more like the washed up old Ali that fought Larry Holmes rather than the one that shook up the World against Sonny Liston.

 

[Osvaldorama]

The trouble is that they still see us as a major World power that can compete on our own, we no longer have "the greatest" empire and are more like the washed up old Ali that fought Larry Holmes rather than the one that shook up the World against Sonny Liston.

A vibrant and thriving economy built on a great wave of globalisation, unfortunately taking a huge backward step.

I am embarrassed that we are being represented by people like Farage on the world stage

 

[SaintinSerbia]

I'm confused Donald. Is a made up lie the same as an actual lie?

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[fatletiss]

What id like to hear from Brexiteers, is not the “nothing to do with Brexit,” but some
Examples of why Brexit will be good.

I’m told that the NHS bus gig was not ever going to be one of those good things about Brexit, so please can one of you give me some good things I can look forward too?

 

[Osvaldorama]

What id like to hear from Brexiteers, is not the “nothing to do with Brexit,” but some
Examples of why Brexit will be good.

I’m told that the NHS bus gig was not ever going to be one of those good things about Brexit, so please can one of you give me some good things I can look forward too?

It will be fun hunting for food again? I’ve always wanted skewered frogs over an open fire

 

[Beddy]

I can understand why people who are anti leaving EU are concerned. However you cannot just keep blaming the Brexiteers for all the troubles. The world market has been in a bit of a turmoil for fair while in certain quarters. Even before our referendum.
I accept and agree that the uncertainties of an agreement is causing problems. There is also little doubt the whole episode has been mis-handled. Personally I see two years has been wasted especially if there is no deal. This in my opinion is what will set us back if this happens.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

I can understand why people who are anti leaving EU are concerned. However you cannot just keep blaming the Brexiteers for all the troubles. The world market has been in a bit of a turmoil for fair while in certain quarters. Even before our referendum.
I accept and agree that the uncertainties of an agreement is causing problems. There is also little doubt the whole episode has been mis-handled. Personally I see two years has been wasted especially if there is no deal. This in my opinion is what will set us back if this happens.

So are you going to answer Fats’ question Beddy? How will we be better off when we have left?

 

[Beddy]

Chilcs I’ve never been sure we would be better off. I just don’t think we will be worse off. For me it’s personal.......I also do not like unelected people dictating the way we should do things in our country. When we joined I warned then of my feelings which in a way has come to fruition. That doesn’t make me right but I would prefer to go back to just a trading agreement and nothing more.

 

[StJabbo]

Chilcs I’ve never been sure we would be better off. I just don’t think we will be worse off. For me it’s personal.......I also do not like unelected people dictating the way we should do things in our country. When we joined I warned then of my feelings which in a way has come to fruition. That doesn’t make me right but I would prefer to go back to just a trading agreement and nothing more.

Great idea, so easy to do why hasn't anyone else thought of that before? May be it's not quite as simple as that and is a complex social and economical relationship it's better to remain part of. Only may be of course or not. Glass of robust red please, thanks.

 

[VocalMinority]

Chilcs I’ve never been sure we would be better off. I just don’t think we will be worse off. For me it’s personal.......I also do not like unelected people dictating the way we should do things in our country. When we joined I warned then of my feelings which in a way has come to fruition. That doesn’t make me right but I would prefer to go back to just a trading agreement and nothing more.

We'll be far more reactionary towards the EU out of it then when we're in it. As an example, just look at how much this EU trade agreement with japan has affected out car industry. Out of the EU we will have no way of vetoing that type of deal and will just have to react to those same 'unelected' officials dictating what happens in our country. And we wont even get the benefits of that trade deal now.

 

[San Tejón]

Chilcs I’ve never been sure we would be better off. I just don’t think we will be worse off. For me it’s personal.......I also do not like unelected people dictating the way we should do things in our country. When we joined I warned then of my feelings which in a way has come to fruition. That doesn’t make me right but I would prefer to go back to just a trading agreement and nothing more.

Have a look at this. It explains how the laws we follow are made. It’s a little bit dated as Hunt was Minister for health at the time.
Not quite unelected.

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[Beddy]

We'll be far more reactionary towards the EU out of it then when we're in it. just look at how much this EU trade agreement with japan has affected out car industry. Out of the EU we will have no way of vetoing that type of deal and will just have to react to those same 'unelected' officials dictating what happens in our country. And we wont even get the benefits of that trade deal now.

Not sure what you mean by reactionary. We certainly were not before we joined the common market if I’m understanding correctly. Even in the EU I’m not sure we would have stopped Japan’s plans.

 

[VocalMinority]

Not sure what you mean by reactionary. We certainly were not before we joined the common market if I’m understanding correctly. Even in the EU I’m not sure we would have stopped Japan’s plans.

Of course we were. we were just coming out of the recovery from two world wars. and we wouldnt have stopped the japan deal as its good for the economy. May is even wanting to create one of her own but failing.