Off Topic Politics Thread

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ChilcoSaint said:
And if they aren’t able to leave legally, due to the oppressive nature of their home country?
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roughly 5 billion of the worlds population are living below poverty with a small proportion in fear for their lives, who made you god to say we have to help this person because they can climb a fence but leave all the others to carry on living their miserable existence? if you employ a person you have to ask what does this person bring to the company, a country is the same, bringing over thousands with no education and no skills will only make the host nation poorer. for the cost of one person from Syria that moves to the west, 18 can be looked after in Syria
 
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benditlikeabanana said:
roughly 5 billion of the worlds population are living below poverty with a small proportion in fear for their lives, who made you god to say we have to help this person because they can climb a fence but leave all the others to carry on living their miserable existence? if you employ a person you have to ask what does this person bring to the company, a country is the same, bringing over thousands with no education and no skills will only make the host nation poorer.
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Actually it will make the host country richer. more GDP and all that. what i think you mean is it would make you poorer. Companies love to take on immigrants.

From a UK perspective Refugees from places like Syria are also well educated. they have free university there.
 
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benditlikeabanana said:
roughly 5 billion of the worlds population are living below poverty with a small proportion in fear for their lives, who made you god to say we have to help this person because they can climb a fence but leave all the others to carry on living their miserable existence? if you employ a person you have to ask what does this person bring to the company, a country is the same, bringing over thousands with no education and no skills will only make the host nation poorer. for the cost of one person from Syria that moves to the west, 18 can be looked after in Syria
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wow, just seen your edit. well that shows your level of bigotry. uk average wages is about 3 or 4 average wage for syria.... not ****ing 18. <doh> And as i said skill level is only slightly lower. 1 Brit is certainly not worth 18 Syrians...
 
Easy SaintinSerbia.......lets not go down the calling names route............You say you have only met one Syrian.......I have had the mis fortune if I may call it that of meeting quite a few. The poverty I saw at times was unbearable. While there are exceptions quite a lot were not able to read or write their own language. A very Simplistic people always willing to learn. (Especially the English language) A very hard working nation as I recall.............With again exceptions. Most refugees will be willing to work and learn. The vast majority are not refugees because they want to be. (agree there are exceptions) most really didn't have a choice it was die or get the family out........Just think of the 1000's that lost their lives trying to get away. Just try and put yourself in their place. What would you have done.......?? How would you have coped, have you got a skill another country can use? Do you consider this when leaving?
 
While there are exceptions quite a lot were not able to read or write their own language. A very Simplistic people always willing to learn.
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Good god, Beddy.

Syria was not a particularly poorly-educated country prior to the civil war. As of 2010, a quarter of the college-age population had some post-secondary enrollment, and its literacy rate is roughly at the world average of 85%. Your experiences do not closely parallel reality.
 
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Schad said:
Good god, Beddy.

Syria was not a particularly poorly-educated country prior to the civil war. As of 2010, a quarter of the college-age population had some post-secondary enrollment, and its literacy rate is roughly at the world average of 85%. Your experiences do not closely parallel reality.
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Oh I didn't know you were there at the time...........My experiences were exactly as I described....... it is true I was taken to some of the poorer districts and areas I can assure you what I saw was real........... I did not say all.........I actually said......"The poverty I saw at times was unbearable." I agree it was well before the troubles. Just for your information I was there with a group of others that were considering building factories there!!
 
Beddytare said:
have you got a skill another country can use?
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My friendly British demeanor has had the effect of creating the only street in Serbia where everyone says hello to each other. On the down side, my British disdain for bad driving by expressing my feelings with a dickhead or ****er "wave" has resulted in my windscreen wipers being snapped off the following night 3 times
 
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SaintinSerbia said:
My friendly British demeanor has had the effect of creating the only street in Serbia where everyone says hello to each other. On the down side, my British disdain for bad driving by expressing my feelings with a dickhead or ****er "wave" has resulted in my windscreen wipers being snapped off the following night 3 times
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Glad it's not just me that maintains a continuous monologue behind the wheel, complete with gestures, aimed at fellow motorists.
 
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rednright said:
Yes, partially, but it laid the building blocks for Maastricht so in a way it cleared the path.
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Not sure where you’re getting that from, I think you need to reread your history. The Maastricht Treaty was in 1993, and the Lisbon Treaty, which amended it, was in 2007, and came into force in 2009.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Not sure where you’re getting that from, I think you need to reread your history. The Maastricht Treaty was in 1993, and the Lisbon Treaty, which amended it, was in 2007, and came into force in 2009.
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Apologies Chico Saint you are quite right. I have copied some text below about it

Today, we can say that the Lisbon Treaty is the most important document in the European Union (EU). It is the newest treaty, the most up to date, and it dictates how European institutions work. However, previous treaties should not be considered as less important. If we think about the evolution of the EU and how it came into existence, it could be said that every treaty shares credit for what happened. Yet, certain treaties have had more impact on European integration than others. The Treaty on European Union (TEU), signed in Maastricht, was one of the most important agreements in the EU’s history. Indeed, not only did it reform the structure of the European Community (EC) through the establishment of a political union, and strengthen economic integration with the creation of the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU)

Never the less I think I am right in saying that we do not control our borders and look to a number or laws that ordinarily should be our sovereign right to enforce. Perhaps I'm behind the times maybe and there is no need for a united kingdom in the modern world but I will vote for for it over the EU.

PS that does NOT make me racist which seems to be the default of remainers. Please acknowledge that I just think differently!
 
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rednright said:
Apologies Chico Saint you are quite right. I have copied some text below about it

Today, we can say that the Lisbon Treaty is the most important document in the European Union (EU). It is the newest treaty, the most up to date, and it dictates how European institutions work. However, previous treaties should not be considered as less important. If we think about the evolution of the EU and how it came into existence, it could be said that every treaty shares credit for what happened. Yet, certain treaties have had more impact on European integration than others. The Treaty on European Union (TEU), signed in Maastricht, was one of the most important agreements in the EU’s history. Indeed, not only did it reform the structure of the European Community (EC) through the establishment of a political union, and strengthen economic integration with the creation of the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU)

Never the less I think I am right in saying that we do not control our borders and look to a number or laws that ordinarily should be our sovereign right to enforce. Perhaps I'm behind the times maybe and there is no need for a united kingdom in the modern world but I will vote for for it over the EU.

PS that does NOT make me racist which seems to be the default of remainers. Please acknowledge that I just think differently!
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Fair enough. I don’t agree, as of course we control our own borders. That’s why we have the Border Force, passport and Customs checks at all our ports of entry, and why the UK has its own policy on immigration, separate from that of the EU. The UK (and Eire) opted out of the Schengen Agreement which abolished border controls between the rest of the member states. This is why we don’t have a hard border between Eire and Northern Ireland.

We have 3 other opt-outs from other EU laws: the EMU, as obviously we don’t have the Euro; the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights; and most of the provisions of the Area of freedom, security and justice. The opt-outs show that as well as our borders, we also control the laws we wish to be ruled by in the UK.
 
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