Off Topic Politics Thread

[Archers Road]

3,500 military personnel ready / set aside in case. Not in the plan but there if need be. Are you insinuating that this will indeed be necessary. No-one wants to use the troops but it is inevitable? Bit like a backstop........that is there just in case....no-one wants to use it but it is there just in case..........Are you saying that it is inevitable there will be troops on the street?

And yes £2bn planning. Should we only plan for the only option that a few hundred people in that house want? Maybe tell Merkel (we are only funding this option) and not fund any other planning at all?

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I'm not insinuating anything. I am categorically stating that we are in a very sorry condition as a country, if the government is seriously considering having to deploy troops on the streets, in peacetime, in response to a situation all of our own making.

 

[VocalMinority]

When I say anything like this it is dismissed as "anecdotal." Funny how it isn't anecdotal when it doesn't suit the argument. Read back the 600 odd pages and count how many times anything I have said has been dismissed as anecdotal.

Only if you use it to show a trend, which i didn't.

You'd have thought so wouldn't you?

But apparently the people have spoken, 2.5 years ago, and that's it now. It would be undemocratic not to shove a long sword up the nation's arse, because 52% of cat owners once endorsed it. Or something.

Surely it is time for a re-think here. It is all well and good to decide that you want to dedicate your life to sword swallowing, but after you end with a scimitar where your bronchial passages once were, it is perfectly acceptable to switch paths and take up bookkeeping.

Wait, did we vote to put it up our arse, or down our throat? i dont want people trying to do both, that would be a right mess.

 

[ImpSaint]

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[SaintinSerbia]

The extra troops may be needed if we do actually leave.....like we voted to do.......because the remain activists are much more likely to charge around being violent and smashing things up than the leavers are.

you are an evil little Imp!

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[VocalMinority]

A lot of you are suggesting another refendum...........for a variety of reasons, Including because the majority wasn’t big enough. So let’s say they have one and the remainders win with a 52% majority against the leavers 48%. What would you want to happen then?? Just go along with latest vote?

well that would be a 7% away from the 55% i believe in for a constitutional change like this. If leave got over 55% we would leave then remain would need over 55% to rejoin. that's my belief on how the system should work anyway. big, expensive, very hard to reverse change requiring a clear majority.


For this particular vote though idk. entire things a mess and i cant see a good democratic way out of it where somebody doesnt feel cheated.

 

[ImpSaint]

you are an evil little Imp!

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I actually know someone who looks a bit like that. Not me though I look like this (taken in Portugal about 10 years ago)

And yes they used to sing the Matt Le Tiss song to me (Big nose, he's got..........):

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[SaintinSerbia]

I actually know someone who looks a bit like that. Not me though I look like this (taken in Portugal about 10 years ago)

And yes they used to sing the Matt Le Tiss song to me (Big nose, he's got..........):

nope, can't see the difference!

 

[Beddy]

well that would be a 7% away from the 55% i believe in for a constitutional change like this. If leave got over 55% we would leave then remain would need over 55% to rejoin. that's my belief on how the system should work anyway. big, expensive, very hard to reverse change requiring a clear majority.


For this particular vote though idk. entire things a mess and i cant see a good democratic way out of it where somebody doesnt feel cheated.

For the life of Me I am struggling with the whole thing. Surely Mays deal is a compromise?? I know the Ni issue is a worry but surely this can be negotiated and sorted?

 

[ChilcoSaint]

For the life of Me I am struggling with the whole thing. Surely Mays deal is a compromise?? I know the Ni issue is a worry but surely this can be negotiated and sorted?

Apparently not!

 

[SaintinSerbia]

I actually know someone who looks a bit like that. Not me though I look like this (taken in Portugal about 10 years ago)

And yes they used to sing the Matt Le Tiss song to me (Big nose, he's got..........):

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not that it's relevant but is your go to pic in a cemetery? (granted, the sun is out)

 

[ImpSaint]

not that it's relevant but is your go to pic in a cemetery? (granted, the sun is out)

I am standing on the rails of the fish pond in the middle of the Belem gardens (Jardim de Belem) in front of the monastery. My favourite area of Lisbon. Great little cafe that serves restaurant quality food about 2 minutes walk from there in the direction of the top right of the picture. The Tagus is about 1 minute walk (3 minutes allowing for crossing the road) directly behind the photographer/camera. So nope it isn't a cemetery.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&om=0&ll=38.69740100000001,-9.201328999999987&spn=0.008206,0.019956&z=16&mid=1SLSQIuNkugpcNaKQQxEdfzle9AU

 

[ChilcoSaint]

I am standing on the rails of the fish pond in the middle of the Belem gardens (Jardim de Belem) in front of the monastery. My favourite area of Lisbon. Great little cafe that serves restaurant quality food about 2 minutes walk from there in the direction of the top right of the picture. The Tagus is about 1 minute walk (3 minutes allowing for crossing the road) directly behind the photographer/camera. So nope it isn't a cemetery.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&om=0&ll=38.69740100000001,-9.201328999999987&spn=0.008206,0.019956&z=16&mid=1SLSQIuNkugpcNaKQQxEdfzle9AU

Small world! We stayed just round the corner from there a few years ago, at the Hotel Jéronimos, and we walked around the Botanical Gardens a few times during our stay, including having a picnic by that very fish pond. There were swallows picking up flies from the surface of the pond, which I’ve never seen before.

 

[SaintinSerbia]

There were swallows picking up flies from the surface of the pond, which I’ve never seen before.

imps actually taught them how to do it!

 

[fatletiss]

The thing that annoys me the most about Brexit is the “we voted out” as mentioned by Impsaint a page or so back, or the “significant majority” that gets referred to.

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I asked my kids to cut the cake in half. It was close to half each, not quite, but close enough for neither to think they had a significant gain

This is how I see the Brexit result. About half each.

 

[Osvaldorama]

The thing that annoys me the most about Brexit is the “we voted out” as mentioned by Impsaint a page or so back, or the “significant majority” that gets referred to.

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I asked my kids to cut the cake in half. It was close to half each, not quiet, but close enough for neither to think they had a significant gain

This is how I see the Brexit result. About half each.

Deploy the army, quick

 

[ImpSaint]

imps actually taught them how to do it!

Not enough time to train them. We only go over for a month each time.

 

[ImpSaint]

The thing that annoys me the most about Brexit is the “we voted out” as mentioned by Impsaint a page or so back, or the “significant majority” that gets referred to.

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I asked my kids to cut the cake in half. It was close to half each, not quiet, but close enough for neither to think they had a significant gain

This is how I see the Brexit result. About half each.

Did they still argue which side they wanted? Mine would, they can see a difference in size no matter how small......quite often even when there is no difference.

 

[ImpSaint]

Nick Boles yesterday saying he would resign the whip and vote against a "no deal", so not standing down and running in a by election.

Nick Boles in a leaflet sent to his constituents where a question was "How do we know you won't betray us" (this was not Brexit focused, just a general why should we vote for you) and his reply talks about publishing expenses and then:

“I think MPs elected for one party should have to stand down and call a by election if they defect to another party.”

https://order-order.com/2018/12/19/boles-promised-call-election-defected/

 

[VocalMinority]

Nick Boles yesterday saying he would resign the whip and vote against a "no deal", so not standing down and running in a by election.

Nick Boles in a leaflet sent to his constituents where a question was "How do we know you won't betray us" (this was not Brexit focused, just a general why should we vote for you) and his reply talks about publishing expenses and then:

“I think MPs elected for one party should have to stand down and call a by election if they defect to another party.”

https://order-order.com/2018/12/19/boles-promised-call-election-defected/

He clearly isn't going to defect to another party. The conservative party manifesto promised a deal in the election so he's not betraying the people that elected him by defying the whip and voting against a no deal.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

He clearly isn't going to defect to another party. The conservative party manifesto promised a deal in the election so he's not betraying the people that elected him by defying the whip and voting against a no deal.

Precisely.