Off Topic Politics Thread

[ChilcoSaint]

Did you remember the Poll Tax riots, Imps, or am I showing my age here?

Not just riots either, but a massive, widespread campaign of civil disobedience which I took part in. I stood up in court with several hundred other offenders to be told that my choices were between having my salary sequestered or going to jail, if I didn’t pay up. I am sorry to say I and most others backed down, but the campaign worked.

 

[----HistoryRepeating----]

Blimey, what % did they take from you? Did many not pay and go to jail?

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Blimey, what % did they take from you? Did many not pay and go to jail?

A few did, those who were mainly without careers or mortgages at stake. Paying up meant paying the poll tax in full, which I could only afford by spreading it over a few months, just like you pay your council tax now. If they had sequestered my salary it would have been all at once, which would have meant hardship time, so there wasn’t really much choice. The point was that all of the hundreds of thousands across the country who went to court showed how deeply unpopular the poll tax was.

 

[San Tejón]

I haven’t seen this mentioned on the News programmes today.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/

Edit, the bit about £2 million of taxpayers money used to fund a secret unit for smearing Corbyn and the Labour Party

 

[fatletiss]

Not just riots either, but a massive, widespread campaign of civil disobedience which I took part in. I stood up in court with several hundred other offenders to be told that my choices were between having my salary sequestered or going to jail, if I didn’t pay up. I am sorry to say I and most others backed down, but the campaign worked.

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[ChilcoSaint]

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[----HistoryRepeating----]

This is the longest someone has taken to fall on a sword in history. Just do it May.

 

[San Tejón]

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It’s the best option.

 

[ImpSaint]

Did you remember the Poll Tax riots, Imps, or am I showing my age here?

Different era and that was before playstation Do you really think that many people in this day and age in this country will come out daily, weekly etc like in France?

They will think nothing will change. That their politicians ignore them and still will even if they take "direct action." And they will probably be right.

The riots I was referring to were the London ones of which 99.9% of the participants didn't care what the initial reason was and just joined in for a Larf and to nick stuff.

I don't think we can look back nearly 30 years and say that we would do the same thing now. People will just not bother in the voting process from that point becausae it would be meaningless. No point voting unless you agree with the ruling class' preference. They will just ignore it if you vote the other way.

 

[ImpSaint]

Blimey, what % did they take from you? Did many not pay and go to jail?

They took mine straight out of my paypacket for refusing to pay.

 

[----HistoryRepeating----]

Is that even legal?

 

[ImpSaint]

Is that even legal?

I have no idea. I only reached the age for the last month or 2 of the Poll tax and was not in employment. When I got my first job about 6 months in I got a letter telling me that was going to happen and it just came out of my paypacket. I was 16/17 at the time so it is a long time ago and if I remember correctly the total was only about £90 because it was only the last month or 2 before it changed to something else. They took £19 a week I seem to recall until the £90 something was paid.

Never went to court about it. Just got a letter telling me they were taking it.

 

[----HistoryRepeating----]

Jesus, so the festering resentment I'm feeling towards these useless incumbents, is probably quite meek in comparison to a few of you, who have been well shafted over the years.
I might stop moaning.

 

[ImpSaint]

We often hear so much about the lies of the leave camp, against the angelic truth from the remain camp. And here we have "peoples vote" doing whatr Alistair Campbell likes to do best and taking someone else's research and changing it (sex it up) to whatever they want it to say.

Read Jonathan Lis' replies here to people accusing him of lying in his research. He quite clearly states he did not write that line, PV (people's vote) added it in:

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[ImpSaint]

Wow, Is Bercow insisting there is a vote on whether to delay?

 

[----HistoryRepeating----]

His spine will turn to liquid shortly.......

 

[----HistoryRepeating----]

Scathing attack from Scotland. No surprise. (well put though)

 

[VocalMinority]

We often hear so much about the lies of the leave camp, against the angelic truth from the remain camp. And here we have "peoples vote" doing whatr Alistair Campbell likes to do best and taking someone else's research and changing it (sex it up) to whatever they want it to say.

Read Jonathan Lis' replies here to people accusing him of lying in his research. He quite clearly states he did not write that line, PV (people's vote) added it in:

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I'm not seeing the difference?

Saying the EU says where the money goes and it's not controlled by us are the same thing, no?

The Twitter post is the one that's misquoting as the excerpt doesn't mention Norway's control. But understandable as wording is confusing which is why I think he clarified.

 

[ImpSaint]

I'm not seeing the difference?

Saying the EU says where the money goes and it's not controlled by us are the same thing, no?

The Twitter post is the one that's misquoting as the excerpt doesn't mention Norway's control. But understandable as wording is confusing which is why I think he clarified.

There are quite a few people calling it out. Not just twitter randoms.

The line in the "summary" states "The UK would send money to the EU and have no influence over how that money was spent." Which is (apparently) not true as Norway does have influence over how that money is spent. Lis goes on to state that if he had seen that line in there he would have asked them to change it.

 

[VocalMinority]

There are quite a few people calling it out. Not just twitter randoms.

The line in the "summary" states "The UK would send money to the UK and have no influence over how that money was spent." Which is (apparently) not true as Norway does have influence over how that money is spent. Lis goes on to state that if he had seen that line in there he would have asked them to change it.

Yeah I got that. I just didn't realise this wasn't a leave-remain argument. Just read the full thing and he's talking about an option where we stay in the EFTA so we would be a EFTA country as far as that tweet goes and why him and PV aren't saying the same thing.