So JC sacks 3 of his Shadow Cabinet. It would have been prudent for him to ignore all those who backed Chuka's amendment and attack the Government for its total incompetence in all manner of things.
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At the Brexit Negotiations
Claude: Now what do you have in mind Boris?
BJ: Clinkey. We offer you a free trade deal in "Clinkey"
Claude: Je ne comprends pas!!
BJ: Is it time for lunch already? I am really looking forward to trying last year's finest Bordeaux. Brexit talks can wait until tomorrrow, next week, next month, next year. Who cares when there's good Clinkey and a Bordeaux to enjoy.
Three hours later the talks commence when BJ remembers that there's a more important event to attend to so he declares the meeting closed as England v South Africa takes precedent. Meanwhile Davis and Fox have nothing to report at the day's press conference.
Enjoy the saga!!
Claude: Now what do you have in mind Boris?
BJ: Clinkey. We offer you a free trade deal in "Clinkey"
Claude: Je ne comprends pas!!
BJ: Is it time for lunch already? I am really looking forward to trying last year's finest Bordeaux. Brexit talks can wait until tomorrrow, next week, next month, next year. Who cares when there's good Clinkey and a Bordeaux to enjoy.
Three hours later the talks commence when BJ remembers that there's a more important event to attend to so he declares the meeting closed as England v South Africa takes precedent. Meanwhile Davis and Fox have nothing to report at the day's press conference.
Enjoy the saga!!
Chuka is a Tory in Labour clothing and needs to be kicked out of the party asap.
I thought we were all anti-Tory here, not in-fighting amongst those who support Labour. I just feel JC should have ignored the rebel vote. It doesn't harm his position at all. What he needs to exploit is the crass approach of the Government to Brexit, and not clash with his own ministers.
Corbyn is a euro-sceptic. Are people still clinging on to the hope he has changed? He has sacked people who will not back him.
And Chuka is the slimiest Blairite around so if I were a Corbynite I would want Chuka pushed down as far as possible.
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You are cutting him some slack there. HE is a full-on Blairite which is "worse than a Tory."
Like his friends Sadiq and Diane he can't just debate. He has to pre-fix every argument with "As a son of an immigrant" rather than just state the case. He never adds "that went to a private school and played cello as well as being a chorister" because that would not play into the narrative he is selling.
Posh boy attacking other posh boys does not work so well, so it becomes "son of immigrant that likes clubbing and casual DJ'ing attacks posh Eton boys."
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You are choosing not to see again. Corbyn was always eurosceptic. He still is eurosceptic and he is utilising the power you all just gave him to make sure those who are Pro EU are put in their place!!!
I did say he had been selling 2 versions of his manifesto and the irony is that while May (after her recent debacle of an election) might have struggled to get a proper Brexit through, it is the one thing that Corbyn will not fight against, despite the carefully chosen words to describe things. He will vote through a full exit from the EU with support from his "clique."
Tory remainers will either vote with the whip or know Tory majority is a thing of the past and all the while we could see the Labour party erupt again.
Every time the screen media bang on about Tory splits over Europe they are ignoring that the Labour party is the one that struggles on this issue more.
Corbyn is not ignoring the rebels because this is the one thing of the Tory manifesto that he himself has fought for through his career. He also knows it is the only way to get the Labour party elected because the Heartlands are not optional IF Labour want to govern again.
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Chuka is out for his own gain. Guy needs to quit for causing **** that wasn't needed. I don't believe he did it for the right reasons at all.
For me he is an enigma. He comes across all reasonable and articulate, but bottled it when faced with the chance of stepping up for leadership. So he prefers to snipe from the sides, maybe? I have no problem with posh boys seeing the light - Tony Benn, for example. However, like Blair, I see Chuka as an opportunist. It's the "I'd like to be a politician. Now in which party will I be most successful?" syndrome.
I thought we were all anti-Tory here, not in-fighting amongst those who support Labour.
You may well be right but I think it would have been prudent for Corbyn to have ignored the "rebellion" because it does Labour little good to highlight divisions within its own ranks regarding Europe.
Heidi Allen, a Tory MP, hitting out at her own party, saying that it needs to change and become "above all, compassionate".
This just a few days after she said similar needed to be done with regards to the pay cap, on public sector workers, being lifted, before she voted against lifting the pay cap.
Another publicity seeking hypocrite, who won't back her words up with action against her own party, even when she knows it would be the "compassionate" thing to do?
By Ben Glaze
A TORY MP branded her own party out of touch and tore into her boss’s “distasteful” deal with the DUP in a furious Commons speech last night.
Heidi Allen raged: “I can barely put into words my anger at the deal my party has done … my distaste for the use of public funds to garner political control.
“We should have run with a minority government and showed what mature, progressive politics looks like.” She also ripped into Theresa May’s election campaign accusing the party of failing to “convey empathy and compassion” adding ”this party must change”.
She concluded: “We must put people at the heart of everything. We must listen and build our policies from the ground up. Be flexible, dynamic, modern, collaborative and, above all, compassionate.”
This just a few days after she said similar needed to be done with regards to the pay cap, on public sector workers, being lifted, before she voted against lifting the pay cap.
Another publicity seeking hypocrite, who won't back her words up with action against her own party, even when she knows it would be the "compassionate" thing to do?
By Ben Glaze
A TORY MP branded her own party out of touch and tore into her boss’s “distasteful” deal with the DUP in a furious Commons speech last night.
Heidi Allen raged: “I can barely put into words my anger at the deal my party has done … my distaste for the use of public funds to garner political control.
“We should have run with a minority government and showed what mature, progressive politics looks like.” She also ripped into Theresa May’s election campaign accusing the party of failing to “convey empathy and compassion” adding ”this party must change”.
She concluded: “We must put people at the heart of everything. We must listen and build our policies from the ground up. Be flexible, dynamic, modern, collaborative and, above all, compassionate.”
Ultimately, whatever they may say, MPs are lobby fodder. Sadly, Corbyn demonstrated this by trying to muzzle voices of dissent. As others have said, it would have been chip paper news and has been blown up by JC's actions. As for this Tory MP, you can guarantee someone got to her and made sure she knew which way to vote. The whole system is ****ed. I have met a number of MPs over the years. Contrary to popular belief most go into the job out of a sense of wanting to achieve good things for people. But idealism and our Punch and Judy confrontational politics don't mix. Very sad really.
Indeed. Only a certain type of person survives or thrives in politics. In late summer 2009 I was living in London and my friend/flatmate/landlord was made redundant and was able to live off his (generous I assume) payout for a fair old while. He was interested in politics, decided to help with Labour's campaign for the 2010 election and worked for them full time for a few months in the West Midlands. He came back quite disillusioned, saying he'd seen a lot of things that made him uncomfortable and eventually went back to doing almost exactly the same job as he did before. Disappointingly, I've never been able to get him to expand on what it was that made him so uncomfortable.
That's what makes Corbyn so rare. Whatever he's doing it for, it isn't personal gain. Still lives in a terraced house in Finsbury Park.
I'm disappointed he's sacked Catherine West though. Also a woman of principle.
Hard not to laugh but the Labour MP that ran as an "anti-Brexit" candidate has been busy blocking lots of people asking her why she voted with the whip for a "hard Brexit."
The "yoof" are not happy they have been fooled but then how did they not work out that Corbyn would love to get rid of the EU so he can nationalise everything without any EU restraint.
The "yoof" are not happy they have been fooled but then how did they not work out that Corbyn would love to get rid of the EU so he can nationalise everything without any EU restraint.
Don't see anything wrong with nationalising industries.
Let's have the profit in the taxpayers pocket rather than in the pockets of private investors and foreign governments.
Let's have the profit in the taxpayers pocket rather than in the pockets of private investors and foreign governments.