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West Kent Saint said:
Really? I thought I saw a lot of coverage, but I didn't see this directly. In fact, I thought May tried to make it a presidential type campaign with Corbyn playing the clown and her playing the umm....cough, strong an stable one. Conversely, I thought Corbyn just went on about what he was going to do. Whether we think it could be done or not.

Is it not hard to deny that Corbyn touched on things that people care about, that's why they voted for him? She wanted to make it to be all about Brexit, but Corbyn actually made it about people. That's what I saw anyway, but I'm not a seasoned political follower.
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You are absolutely right. Corbyn and his team made the tactical decision to fight a positive campaign entirely based on what Labour would do for the country rather than what May and co would do to it.

That is why at no time during the campaign did Corbyn make any personal attacks on his opponents, nor did he ever react to the vicious slurs directed at him - other than to refute them rationally and calmly.
 
tomw24 said:
No, Article 50 was triggered therefore Brexit will happen within 2 years. If negotiations fall flat it will be bad for everyone all round. We will still leave, but we won't have any say on the terms of Brexit.
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My fear is we say " We want to stay " They say " You triggered article 50 See ya "
 
ChilcoSaint said:
I believe the way Article 50 was written, it can be reversed at any time.
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It can certainly be revoked if not finished within a 2 year time period. Then the membership countries all have to agree on it anyway. If they don't, I believe we're still in.

It's then that the British PM stops the game, picks up the football and says, "it's my ball and I'm going home".
 
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TheSecondStain said:
It can certainly be revoked if not finished within a 2 year time period. Then the membership countries all have to agree on it anyway. If they don't, I believe we're still in.

It's then that the British PM stops the game, picks up the football and says, "it's my ball and I'm going home".
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Nope. The membership has to agree to any extension if we want it. If we reach 2 years we are out unless we ask for an extension and they agree to that extension. We do not by default remain in at the end of 2 years.
 
ImpSaint said:
Nope. The membership has to agree to any extension if we want it. If we reach 2 years we are out unless we ask for an extension and they agree to that extension. We do not by default remain in at the end of 2 years.
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Unless we ask to remain in, in which case the terms of Article 49 apply. As we have already been deemed to qualify for membership, we just need a qualified majority to be allowed to stay.
 
ImpSaint said:
Then you are hearing what you want to hear. I agree with you on Theresa May doing the "fear" aspect. I am saying that they all did it though and if you listen to Corbyn's speeches most of it is about how bad the Tories are. Sturgeon is the one that continually goes on about not playing the fear card but all her speeches are about is "anything but the Tories" and "keep the Tories out."

Then we have this soundbite of "putting party before the country" which is laughable because they all do that. That is what politics is. The Fringe's may be able to put country before their party but that is why they are at the fringes. All the main contenders are in the game of trying to gain seats and they put their party first to try and gain seats.
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No, I didn't receive any special editing, it was what I saw on the TV and heard on the radio, just like everyone else. You don't need to lean towards Labour to see that the manifesto was more positive and Corbyn actually interacted with people on issues they cared about.

I'm concentrating on the campaign, the bits that I saw, not an exhaustive knowledge of politics.

Yes May was dour, and her campaign was ****, but the only reason that Corbyn did more than ok? Come on, that's a little disrespectful to the voters. I'll be saying you see what you want to see next :tongue:Perhaps you should give Corbyn a little more credit for running a very clever campaign aside from the suspicion you have on what he would actually carry through with if he got into power.
 
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