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ImpSaint said:
North/South divide matey. No such thing as North / Midland / South divide.

We're level with Chesterfield and Chester. Most definitely north of Watford :) And I say Bus not Barse, Bath not Barth, Fook not Fark.
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My mate from Scunthorpe used to say he had the best accent in the country in which to say "****ing hell". That's probably the only good thing he ever got out of coming from Lincolnshire, but it's something.

He was pretty gutted when they moved the county border and suddenly his home town was in South Humberside.
 
ImpSaint said:
I am very concerned about the deficit, not so much the debt. We do have to try and find a way to create a surplus and bring the debt down however in the short term we need to find a way to try and get close to spending what we bring in and then some time in the future be able to reduce the debt. I am not that bothered really about reaching that surplus in a 5 year term. We are way past that now. I just want to see a light at the end of the tunnel without fearing that the oar might wear out before we ever see it.
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How are we going to bring down debt if we reduce spending and productivity and increase barriers to trade. I think that this type of economics is all part of an outdated model which relies on that mythical constant growth for the country to prosper.
 
Archers Road said:
My mate from Scunthorpe used to say he had the best accent in the country in which to say "****ing hell". That's probably the only good thing he ever got out of coming from Lincolnshire, but it's something.

He was pretty gutted when they moved the county border and suddenly his home town was in South Humberside.
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Did he celebrate returning to Lincolnshire in 1996?
 
OddRiverOakWizards said:
How are we going to bring down debt if we reduce spending and productivity and increase barriers to trade. I think that this type of economics is all part of an outdated model which relies on that mythical constant growth for the country to prosper.
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On the Productivity thing. What do you think is the cause for us becoming more and more unproductive? Nothing to do with lots of cheap labour making quick consumables rather than developing industry and tech and training our own up to actually do these jobs rather than import talent in all the time?

I would think that you would all be out campaigning for Corbyn. May's tone has changed and is going for Corbyn now and focusing on Brexit where before she was concentrating more on making it about her. Corbyn has been very good in this campaign letting his supporters and cabinet do the Tory bashing while he kept it to a minimum selling his manifesto.

Obviously the Tories are pretty concerned. If not for Brexit Corbyn might actually have a chance here.
 
ImpSaint said:
Did he celebrate returning to Lincolnshire in 1996?
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I expect he did, though by then he lived in Gloucester. He was a restless soul.

He's dead now, god bless him. I think his happiest years may well have been spent in London. And Australia. Never lost touch with his Scunthorpe buddies though, and he was always up for a bit of north/south piss taking.
 
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ImpSaint said:
On the Productivity thing. What do you think is the cause for us becoming more and more unproductive? Nothing to do with lots of cheap labour making quick consumables rather than developing industry and tech and training our own up to actually do these jobs rather than import talent in all the time?

I would think that you would all be out campaigning for Corbyn. May's tone has changed and is going for Corbyn now and focusing on Brexit where before she was concentrating more on making it about her. Corbyn has been very good in this campaign letting his supporters and cabinet do the Tory bashing while he kept it to a minimum selling his manifesto.

Obviously the Tories are pretty concerned. If not for Brexit Corbyn might actually have a chance here.
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I have been out campaigning for Labour. It's only the medeaval serf mentality still pertaining in the English countryside that's preventing you from doing the same <ok>
 
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Archers Road said:
I have been out campaigning for Labour. It's only the medeaval serf mentality still pertaining in the English countryside that's preventing you from doing the same <ok>
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Keep up the good work then. Your man is closing the gap. Won't be enough to win the election but will keep him in the job for sure.
 
ImpSaint said:
Keep up the good work then. Your man is closing the gap. Won't be enough to win the election but will keep him in the job for sure.
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It's damage limitation really. And I'm not even sure Jeremy is the right man for the job, but at least he, and the party, are finally being judged on principles and policies rather than personalities - or what a virulent right wing press would have you believe his personality to be.
 
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Archers Road said:
It's damage limitation really. And I'm not even sure Jeremy is the right man for the job, but at least he, and the party, are finally being judged on principles and policies rather than personalities - or what a virulent right wing press would have you believe his personality to be.
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I have nothing against Corbyn and it makes me laugh how the bubble think it is all about him. I'm not latched to the Tories but I am vehemently anti "faux" centrism like the Blairites. Get rid of the Blairites and Labour might appeal to normal folks again. Of course the next election will be a better target because the Brexit question will be out of the picture then.

Just don;t want anymore "pretend" Labour that are actually only bothered about their big business friends and their future on the intra-national gravy train of top jobs.

Yes Tories are pretty similar to that in terms of cronyism, however Tories make the state smaller.

Centrists (whether left or right) make the state larger in order to then divert what goes into that increased state money into the hands of their big business mates.

The UK state since Blair has been a great "legal money launderer." Invest money into each service, then hand contracts to business that takes state money out without much (if any) return.

Blair never spoke about what services were being returned. Just a battle of numbers. £X bn more into the NHS. We know where that extra £x bn goes. Into the budget and straight out the other side to big pockets. The public never get the extra service. Just more money flowing straight through the system and out the other side.
 
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May is ****ing this up and looks anything but stable and strong. I can now see why she is skipping debates.

Still see Tories winning though
 
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Beefy said:
May is ****ing this up and looks anything but stable and strong. I can now see why she is skipping debates.

Still see Tories winning though
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She'll win. Them she'll **** up Brexit - there is no way not to **** it up - and if Labour can get it's act together they can then capitalise on a sea change in British politics. But first Labour have to avoid a total wipe out on the 8th June.
 
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Michael Crick really took her to task earlier, after she scrapped her social care plan after just five days.

Quoted her the Thatcher quote about the lady not being for turning, then said she's made numerous U-turns and rather than 'strong and stable' she appears 'weak and wobbly'.
 
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May really isn't that impressive a politician. She's lucky that the other parties are in such bad shape.

That social care policy was just bizarre though. Surely anyone with half a brain could see that £100k was far too low a 'floor'? The vast majority of property owners in the country were potentially going to be facing a huge inheritance tax (effectively) bill. Capping the amount to be paid makes a certain amount of sense but flat figures don't work well. Much better to cap it at X% of a person's net worth.
 
Beefy said:
May is ****ing this up and looks anything but stable and strong. I can now see why she is skipping debates.

Still see Tories winning though
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I have always voted Tory but I am not voting for May or my "local" MP. May does a U-turn every few days and the Tory MP for my area has done nothing for the area.
 
Puck said:
May really isn't that impressive a politician. She's lucky that the other parties are in such bad shape.

That social care policy was just bizarre though. Surely anyone with half a brain could see that £100k was far too low a 'floor'? The vast majority of property owners in the country were potentially going to be facing a huge inheritance tax (effectively) bill. Capping the amount to be paid makes a certain amount of sense but flat figures don't work well. Much better to cap it at X% of a person's net worth.
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But could she be trusted not to change/remove it, once the election has happened?

She's like a fish out of water, flip flopping all over the place, yet we are being told by 80% of the media that she is a better prospect to run our country than someone who is principled and who sticks to his principles.
The EU Brexit negotiators will destroy her, and with it our hopes of an even halfway decent agreement.
 
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tomw24 said:
I have always voted Tory but I am not voting for May or my "local" MP. May does a U-turn every few days and the Tory MP for my area has done nothing for the area.
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The Tory MP in my area got voted the laziest MP in the country... He went to the bare minimum of meetings etc and didn't turn up to votes. All he does is chill in his offices above a conservative pub.
 
St Badger said:
But could she be trusted not to change/remove it, once the election has happened?

She's like a fish out of water, flip flopping all over the place, yet we are being told by 80% of the media that she is a better prospect to run our country than someone who is principled and who sticks to his principles.
The EU Brexit negotiators will destroy her, and with it our hopes of an even halfway decent agreement.
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If she won't debate with Jeremy because she will lose out in the election, who should be debating for Brexit?
 
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