Off Topic Politics Thread

[Onionman]

Farage agreed about a big Remain win. You're misrepresenting his comments about a second referendum though. They came in the context of the government's shady decision to spend £9m (£2m more than the campaign spending limit) on leaflets arguing the case for Remain, just before the campaign officially started.

Quote from the BBC website below. Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

The comment also came in the context of the shady b***ocks that his side painted on the side of the bus, their constant lies about the money that would be saved, etc, etc. Neither side came out of the campaign looking whiter than white. Both sides could claim the other side played unfairly.

When Farage said it, he meant it. Now he doesn't.

Vin

 

[Puck]

The comment also came in the context of the shady b***ocks that his side painted on the side of the bus, their constant lies about the money that would be saved, etc, etc. Neither side came out of the campaign looking whiter than white. Both sides could claim the other side played unfairly.

When Farage said it, he meant it. Now he doesn't.

Vin

Both sides talked a load of rubbish at times. Nothing new there.

Leave didn't "cheat" to spend more than double the campaign spending limit though. Remain doing that is clearly what he was talking about.

 

[breconsaint]

Yes, YOUR view of the main aims.

The question was: "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

Where did that say anything about the main aims?

Vin

It says that the main aim is to leave the European Union. Anything else is detail. If we were to "leave" by keeping freedom of movement, paying a levy to trade, meeting all EU criteria etc....then we wouldn't have left.

IF we can leave and keep some reasonable, friendly arrangement with the EU well that's fine. IF they want to make an example of us to "encourager les autres" then the EU will force a hard exit, but an exit it will have to be.

 

[breconsaint]

I am only interested in remaining as the vote to leave is extremely foolish. And common sense should prevail in this instance, not the votes of people brainwashed by the rag press and Bull**** Johnson and Nigel the "Funny Bloke"

People voting, eh? Down with this sort of thing!

 

[ImpSaint]

People voting, eh? Down with this sort of thing!

What do you expect? Last year the Beeb, Ch4 the luvvies and all the students were mourning Castro's death. That's what they want here and to do away with idiots being allowed to vote.

They are the real "little Englanders" that want to return to the times when only those with power and money and a penis were allowed the vote.

 

[breconsaint]

No it isn't, because I know, from talking to an admittedly small number, that people were confused about the terms on which we would leave.

True, but I've spoken to people who voted remain because they thought that we would lose all our trade with Europe if we left. (Not a 2-3% tariff). And we would lose all that money which the EU "gives" us. I'm afraid democracy means that many confused people on both sides get to vote. It's a terrible system, as Churchill observed, "but it's better than all the alternatives."

 

[ChilcoSaint]

What do you expect? Last year the Beeb, Ch4 the luvvies and all the students were mourning Castro's death. That's what they want here and to do away with idiots being allowed to vote.

They are the real "little Englanders" that want to return to the times when only those with power and money and a penis were allowed the vote.

This is the left-leaning liberal media luvvies you're referring to here, right?

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

People voting, eh? Down with this sort of thing!

No, just the wrong people voting is wrong. People should only vote if they choose the right side, otherwise they're wrong and therefore not sensible, educated voters, who are the only right ones to vote....it seems obvious to me despite the fact that I voted the wrong way, and therefore am wrong and my opinion doesn't matter.

 

[breconsaint]

This is the left-leaning liberal media luvvies you're referring to here, right?

I think the issue is Pro EU luvvies. Plenty of Tories and bankers in that group. And Tory bankers. And globalists. Old Labour used to be against the EU(some of the survivors still are). I remember Tony Benn and Michael Foot in that bracket and jolly old Ted Heath in the pro camp.

 

[ImpSaint]

This is the left-leaning liberal media luvvies you're referring to here, right?

I use the labels that the media uses. So in their eyes yes they are the left leaning "liberals" or as they would probably think and like to say but don't "the only normal decent sensible people."

 

[ImpSaint]

I think the issue is Pro EU luvvies. Plenty of Tories and bankers in that group. And Tory bankers. And globalists. Old Labour used to be against the EU(some of the survivors still are). I remember Tony Benn and Michael Foot in that bracket and jolly old Ted Heath in the pro camp.

luvvies is nothing to do with political leaning as such and they aren't bankers or Tories (as in politicians.) Luvvies is a term for the "Arts" specifically actors or those to do with theatre/acting.

Collins definition:
People sometimes refer to actors as luvvies as a humorous way of criticizing their emotional behaviour and their feeling that they are important.

 

[breconsaint]

Absolutely no chance whatsoever. None. Nil. Nope.

Claiming we'll never know is evading the answer but you do know. As do I. As does everyone else.

"Farage was not the key mover"? You're fooling yourself.

Vin

Farage was the key mover for years- you could see him on youtube, and occasionally on EU parliament election nights, after which he could be ignored by the mainstream media because he couldn't get a first-past-the-post seat. He became more of interest to the main TV media when he started to steamroller EU elections.

However, he was sidelined in the referendum due to Tory party politics. Important, yes, and he had his following, but key?

 

[breconsaint]

luvvies is nothing to do with political leaning and they aren't bankers or Tories. Luvvies is a term for the "Arts" specifically actors or those to do with theatre/acting.

You saying there aren't Tory luvvies...what about Cameron? Biggest actor I've seen for a long time...unless you count Corbyn pretending to support remain.

 

[Archers Road]

No, just the wrong people voting is wrong. People should only vote if they choose the right side, otherwise they're wrong and therefore not sensible, educated voters, who are the only right ones to vote....it seems obvious to me despite the fact that I voted the wrong way, and therefore am wrong and my opinion doesn't matter.

I think you're wrong there.

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

I think you're wrong there.

I was wrong once! I thought I'd made a mistake, turned out I hadn't.

 

[ImpSaint]

The origin of Luvvie:

The word was originally coined by Stephen Fry, sometime in the late 80’s. It was used as a way to describe theater actors and actresses, who tend to move from production to production, requiring them to continually work with different people, and since remembering the names of constantly changing colleagues can be a challenge, they tended to end up calling each other “luvvie” or “darling” instead.

In more recent years, it’s become more widely used in a derogatory way, as a way of describing the tendencies of people who’s primary skill is reading out loud, to assume their position as well known public figures, means they somehow have an expertise in, typically liberal causes.

A recent example is Michael Sheen, who’s expertese has extended to pretending he’s David Frost, pretending he’s Tony Blair and pretending he’s Brian Clough. Now, it seems that this extensive experience of pretending he’s other people means he’s well placed to save us all from populist politics:

Although the use of the word was around way before Fry it was used in a different way to now and this spelling was not in the dictionary prior to its humorous use (AFAIK)

I remember back when every single British Film (has anything changed?) had Emma Thompson, Kenneth Branagh, Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie in it (and most of the cast from Blackadder, Vicar of Dibley and the Royle family) which amuses me seeing as they surely knew everyone else's name because they were in every single film a bit like the "Brat Pack" at a similar time in the US.

 

[breconsaint]

The origin of Luvvie:

The word was originally coined by Stephen Fry, sometime in the late 80’s. It was used as a way to describe theater actors and actresses, who tend to move from production to production, requiring them to continually work with different people, and since remembering the names of constantly changing colleagues can be a challenge, they tended to end up calling each other “luvvie” or “darling” instead.

In more recent years, it’s become more widely used in a derogatory way, as a way of describing the tendencies of people who’s primary skill is reading out loud, to assume their position as well known public figures, means they somehow have an expertise in, typically liberal causes.

A recent example is Michael Sheen, who’s expertese has extended to pretending he’s David Frost, pretending he’s Tony Blair and pretending he’s Brian Clough. Now, it seems that this extensive experience of pretending he’s other people means he’s well placed to save us all from populist politics:

Has he overtaken Bono yet?

Was the term really only from the late 80s? I was sure that the likes of Ian McKellen and "Dear old Dickie" Attenborough would have used it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ling-actors-luvvies-is-as-bad-as-using-the-n/

So behaving like pompous, entitled arses and being called for it, is the same as being racially abused due to the colour of your skin? He really does seem to reinforce the stereotype - maybe irony is less easy to grasp than speaking someone else's creative dialogue?

 

[ImpSaint]

Has he overtaken Bono yet?

Was the term really only from the late 80s? I was sure that the likes of Ian McKellen and "Dear olddDickie" Attenborough would have used it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ling-actors-luvvies-is-as-bad-as-using-the-n/

So behaving like pompous, entitled arses and being called for it, is the same as being racially abused due to the colour of your skin? He really does seem to reinforce the stereotype - maybe irony is less easy to grasp than speaking someone else's creative dialogue?

No, it has been used for eons, I think the excerpt above is merely about when it got itself recognised with that spelling and its modern meaning rather than just a different version of "mate" or "love"..........or round these parts "chav" or "duck."

 

[ImpSaint]

Even Viz was using it in 1987:

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[I Sorry I Ruined The Party]

Firstly the chances of Donald Trump of all people hiding behind incompetence are close to zero. This is a man with an ego the size of a planet who's been criticised a lot on the basis that he lacks experience. He's not going to say "Oops, that was a mistake." in his first couple of weeks in office.

Secondly, I never mentioned the age thing. It was clearly their intention to stop people of all ages from those countries. The things I mentioned (Green Card holders, UK citizens with dual nationality) they have now said it wasn't their intention to stop. They have also issued another Executive Order that has been criticised as unclear by a Harvard law professor. They don't fully understand how to specify what they want to do.

It's not Trump who is doing this intentionally. It's Stephen Bannon and Stephn Miller. Everyone else was legit caught offguard because those two gave everyone the runaround.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban/