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If ever there was a case of a rich person preaching to the poor it's Donald Trump. His Dad gave him a million to start him on his way. He has never been poor in his life yet somehow the millions of people who voted for him seem to think he is going to make a difference. They say he's not the establishment but he is, he's the business establishment.
 
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http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-fo...-there-should-be-a-national-wage-cap-10723814

This is why I think I am in the middle of Politics. I agree with Jeremy Corbyn's sentiment but I can see that it would damage business in this country and therefore jobs. People will go elsewhere and receive the salary they want. It's like players going to Man Utd because Saints won't pay them enough, on a much bigger scale.
 
Whiteley Saint said:
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-fo...-there-should-be-a-national-wage-cap-10723814

This is why I think I am in the middle of Politics. I agree with Jeremy Corbyn's sentiment but I can see that it would damage business in this country and therefore jobs. People will go elsewhere and receive the salary they want. It's like players going to Man Utd because Saints won't pay them enough, on a much bigger scale.
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You miss the point. There is something to be said in trying to sort out tax rules that are avoided by the rich but that is a side issue. Corbyn did not go on the airwaves to talk about that. Corbyn went on the airwaves to address Labour's policy on freedom of movement and had announced he would be talking in terms of him not being tied to the freedom of movement. The Beeb decided they didn't want that story and Humphries made up on the hoof this talk of max earnings, Corbyn fell for it and then Humphries pushed the whole policy merely asking Corbyn to agree while he prompted him and Corbyn for some reason then took it all in and came out with even more than Humphries could have imagined.

All his SPADs are running around now because this was not a policy that has had any thought and his MPs (even those in his close ranks) are all across the media trying to save face while the Beeb knowing Humphries has over stepped the mark is wishing it had just let him talk about freedom of movement and is redirecting each news onto the subject they didn't want to be the story. They rushed Kuennsberg into a meeting with Corbyn to try and tidy it all up.

The Tory press is now too busy laughing to even need to criticise the non existent policy.


I don't think even among Tory or UKIP voters you would have any disagreement on the need to simplify tax law and close loopholes but a 100% tax on high earners is a sure fire way to ruin.
 
ImpSaint said:
You miss the point. There is something to be said in trying to sort out tax rules that are avoided by the rich but that is a side issue. Corbyn did not go on the airwaves to talk about that. Corbyn went on the airwaves to address Labour's policy on freedom of movement and had announced he would be talking in terms of him not being tied to the freedom of movement. The Beeb decided they didn't want that story and Humphries made up on the hoof this talk of max earnings, Corbyn fell for it and then Humphries pushed the whole policy merely asking Corbyn to agree while he prompted him and Corbyn for some reason then took it all in and came out with even more than Humphries could have imagined.

All his SPADs are running around now because this was not a policy that has had any thought and his MPs (even those in his close ranks) are all across the media trying to save face while the Beeb knowing Humphries has over stepped the mark is wishing it had just let him talk about freedom of movement and is redirecting each news onto the subject they didn't want to be the story. They rushed Kuennsberg into a meeting with Corbyn to try and tidy it all up.

The Tory press is now too busy laughing to even need to criticise the non existent policy.


I don't think even among Tory or UKIP voters you would have any disagreement on the need to simplify tax law and close loopholes but a 100% tax on high earners is a sure fire way to ruin.
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I don't know anything about the BBC thing, but it seems from the link I posted he's been saying it on Sky too. They reckon the immigration speech is later today.
 
Whiteley Saint said:
I don't know anything about the BBC thing, but it seems from the link I posted he's been saying it on Sky too. They reckon the immigration speech is later today.
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He was on the Today programme first thing. The usual thing these days where a politician announces what the speech he/she will give later???? will be about.

Since then he has been all over the media no doubt because his SPADs are trying to do damage limitation and tidy up after falling for Humphries trap early in the day.

I do not know why they need to announce what will be in a speech they haven't given yet. Why not just............give the speech?
 
ImpSaint said:
I'm no Trump fan. Just tired of the whole faux-liberal mindset of "if you don;t agree with us then you are fascist"
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I think you are a fascist though Imp, or bordering on it, even if you don't realise that yourself. Most of your views appear to be underpinned by hate and anger - towards liberals, immigrants (I know you'll deny this but it's all there in your posts), the left, those bits of the media that don't agree with you.
 
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ImpSaint said:
He was on the Today programme first thing. The usual thing these days where a politician announces what the speech he/she will give later???? will be about.

Since then he has been all over the media no doubt because his SPADs are trying to do damage limitation and tidy up after falling for Humphries trap early in the day.

I do not know why they need to announce what will be in a speech they haven't given yet. Why not just............give the speech?
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I agree with this part. Why bother listening if you already know what is going to be said?
 
the problem with all political arguments are that they are all based on money. Every country must earn more money than the others or they will sink and die. People worry that because one country pays it's workers less than your country it will earn more money. Therefore that country will have more money and it's citizens will benefit but of course they actually have less money. The money has actually disappeared, ridiculously large amounts of money, held by the clever politicians and never put to good use. As history has proven all these super rich countries / empires eventually crash and burn as the people who built them revolt and overturn them. So if you worry that voting for a society that helps and protects the weak, different, disabled or you - don't! You're not backing a losing horse, you're backing a society that will outlast the others. Don't be scared by the hate and fear politics this year, be guided by what you have learned is right!
 
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President-elect Donald Trump met with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a leading anti-vaccine activist, on Tuesday to discuss vaccination policy, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer said.

Kennedy drew fire last year for describing a "holocaust" of children allegedly hurt by immunization (he later apologized for the term), and both Trump and Kennedy have spread fringe theories linking vaccines to autism in children, an idea that medical experts overwhelmingly reject and have warned is endangering public health.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/poli...-trail-n705296

RFK Jr says Trump asked him to chair a committee on vaccines. Both of them support fringe anti-vaccine theories.

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/stat...97616222191617

Anti vaxa as chair of the committee on vaccines?
 
Beefy said:
President-elect Donald Trump met with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., a leading anti-vaccine activist, on Tuesday to discuss vaccination policy, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer said.

Kennedy drew fire last year for describing a "holocaust" of children allegedly hurt by immunization (he later apologized for the term), and both Trump and Kennedy have spread fringe theories linking vaccines to autism in children, an idea that medical experts overwhelmingly reject and have warned is endangering public health.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/poli...-trail-n705296

RFK Jr says Trump asked him to chair a committee on vaccines. Both of them support fringe anti-vaccine theories.

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/stat...97616222191617

Anti vaxa as chair of the committee on vaccines?
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If they go against the mainstream science, Trump and Kennedy stand the chance of killing literally thousands of children. Let's hope they keep their heads.

Vin
 
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when will the liberal artists in Hollywood finally accept that Trump ran with a mandate to stop ILLEGAL immigration ? they always forget the ILLEGAL part. They have a problem with with Trumps Wall, but what is the difference with the wall and having customs at airports or ports ? streep mentioned some foreign actors, pretty sure that all of them are in the US legally and were not smuggled in via Mexico
 
Onionman said:
If they go against the mainstream science, Trump and Kennedy stand the chance of killing literally thousands of children. Let's hope they keep their heads.

Vin
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this ridiculous bullshit was put to bed years ago - I can't believe it's being brought back and endangering the lives of children again!
 
benditlikeabanana said:
when will the liberal artists in Hollywood finally accept that Trump ran with a mandate to stop ILLEGAL immigration ? they always forget the ILLEGAL part. They have a problem with with Trumps Wall, but what is the difference with the wall and having customs at airports or ports ? streep mentioned some foreign actors, pretty sure that all of them are in the US legally and were not smuggled in via Mexico
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Meryl Streep never once mentioned the wall in her speech. Your post is a response to something she never said.
 
Whiteley Saint said:
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-fo...-there-should-be-a-national-wage-cap-10723814

This is why I think I am in the middle of Politics. I agree with Jeremy Corbyn's sentiment but I can see that it would damage business in this country and therefore jobs. People will go elsewhere and receive the salary they want. It's like players going to Man Utd because Saints won't pay them enough, on a much bigger scale.
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Mind you, if the wage cap went through Man Utd almost certainly wouldn't be able to pay more than Saints. :emoticon-0164-cash:
 
Archers Road said:
So you were just having a rant then?


Or did you have some specific liberal artists in mind?
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Basically 95% of hollywood and pop stars, and I was having a little rant as well. If they wish to say something then they should take part in a debate and try to put thier views accross, not take a swipe and then duck into the shadows like cowards. Trump is an easy target as his ego wont let a bad remark go. If he had finished his text with regards to Streep, that he has always thought she was very talented and thanked her for the enjoyment that she has made, then he would of come out as the big man, but he is going to have to get used to snide remarks and mis quotes
 
benditlikeabanana said:
when will the liberal artists in Hollywood finally accept that Trump ran with a mandate to stop ILLEGAL immigration ? they always forget the ILLEGAL part. They have a problem with with Trumps Wall, but what is the difference with the wall and having customs at airports or ports?
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I think most Americans are neutral or mildly supportive of having our border secured.

That's not actually what the wall is about. It is rather expensive and likely not very effective. Plus it seems unlikely that Mexico will pay for it.

It is a symbol. Much like Brexit.

On the face of it, there is nothing wrong with a nation attempting to pursue better trade agreements or controlling their borders. And I believe there are some reasonable people who voted Trump/Brexit for those reasons.

In fact, they have done polls and most Trump voters are skeptical of the wall but do want secure borders , and favor amnesty for illegals already in this country. Which is the same as the majority view. And also the view of Bush and Rubio, who were favored to win the GOP primary.

But that would not have won it for Trump. He needed to tap into the "deplorable" vote. Thus, the wall. The reasonable "What is wrong with secure borders?" argument is only trotted out as dogwhistle for the bigots in the know or as intense denial/apology from the non-racists and/or idiots.
 
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