And I hope they set some rules if they do give us another vote.
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And I hope they set some rules if they do give us another vote.
Tactical voting will be key in the upcoming election, that’s for sure. Even if there isn’t a pro-Remain pact between Labour, Lib Dem’s, Greens and so on, which one would hope there would be, everyone who wants a way out of this mess has to vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Conservative in their constituency. As Matthew Parris, who I quoted earlier said, and remember, he was a Tory MP himself, this whole Brexit disaster is entirely down to the Tories. They allowed the ERG to become a dominant force in their party, they called the referendum, they failed to come up with a deal anyone else could support, and now they are allowing the ERG to dictate their whole policy. Even Margaret Thatcher, who had her own troubles with Eurosceptics, wouldn’t recognise the party she once led.
Someone I was reading this morning, sorry can’t remember who, said: if you carry on voting with your tribe, in the way you always have, you are condemning the country to a no deal disaster. Study the picture in your constituency and keep the Tories out.
Yes, and that shouldn’t be a 2/3 majority to overturn Brexit, it should be a 2/3 majority for anything other than the status quo, which is Remain.
It’s not just the Conservative Party who is to blame but also the people who voted for them, despite knowing that it was THEIR policies that was destroying this country and not the policies of the EU.
The people knew before the 2015 general election that austerity was crushing the country, but too many people, who weren’t being directly affected by it, chose to close their eyes to the suffering and continue to support it, by voting for the Tories, thus allowing Cameron to set the Brexit referendum in 2016.
They, whether they are Remainers or Leavers, have to accept that they played a big part in this mess, because by keeping the Tories in power they allowed austerity and unfairness to continue, which the written media fed on, and had their readers blame everything on the EU and not on the Tories.
I posted this ages ago but worth a reminder, 29% of our fishing quotas are in the hands of just 5 families:Hear hear! Well said, Fats! I’m in the same situation with Leavers I know. The most vociferous keeps banging on about the fishing industry and “taking back control”. He doesn’t answer me, though, when I ask him how we plan to police it with the few fishing protection vessels we have and when I point out that the fishing licences are mainly owned by a few very rich people around the U.K.
Then I get the “honour the vote” crap rolled out .....
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/
An illegal campaign masterminded by Dominic Cummings, who has consistently refused to come before Parliament to answer questions. The same Dominic Cummings who is now pulling Boris Johnson's strings.
It was your post I’ve tried to get him to look at, but, no, he knows better ......
It will be even worse after a no-deal Brexit, people forget that 75% of fish caught in UK waters is exported, mostly to the EU. The hoops fishermen will have to jump through once they aren’t regulated by the Common Fisheries Policy looks like a nightmare!It was your post I’ve tried to get him to look at, but, no, he knows better ......
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporti...kIB_ccg8vq_17Mrd2fUe6SNatliYyKchoCZgoQAvD_BwE
Yet they all want to leave the EU. Certainly all that my relatives have spoken to.
I'm still trying to get my head around people who vote to be substantially worse off.
Is the myth really still prevalent that because people are rich or they went to Eton, it makes them more believable or more capable of making decisions in running a country?
Is the myth really still prevalent that because people are rich or they went to Eton, it makes them more believable or more capable of making decisions in running a country?
Worth a read for an insight into what they’re thinking.
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France threatens to veto any further extension to Article 50. Essentially because of the complete lack of effort by Johnson to come up with any alternative to the Backstop, we will be left with a straight choice between Crash Brexit or revoking Article 50 entirely.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/france-threatens-to-veto-further-brexit-extension
Parliament will have less than a fortnight after the EU summit to find an alternative Prime Minister who will sign the paperwork, because Johnson certainly won’t.
Interesting times...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/france-threatens-to-veto-further-brexit-extension
Parliament will have less than a fortnight after the EU summit to find an alternative Prime Minister who will sign the paperwork, because Johnson certainly won’t.
Interesting times...
Leavers will pounce on this. France will get the blame. “They didn’t want us to join in the first place and now they won’t do a deal or assist us.” It will help justify to them why we should leave.
Personally, I fully understand the French position today. I think it’s a bit bloody minded, but can’t blame them.
It was France that kept us out all those years ago.............I agree you cannot particularly blame France for the goings on in our parliament. Isn't it strange to you guys that its France leading the way on telling us what we can and cannot do??
If we leave they will be the top dogs according to Germany and the Netherlands, something they could not be while we were part of the EU. I think an extension might be the best thing lets see what we can do with a different negotiating team representing the EU. Either that or let's have another referendum and abide by it and stop all this crap............People should be given one of three choices leave with no deal leave with the deal already negotiated stay as we are and it should be legal and binding........
France is the most similar country to us on the planet. Similar Placement, similar climate, similar size, similar wealth and resources, similar politics. Could go on.
It why we have a rich history of competing with them over the same things which leads to conflict. But we also have a rich history of helping each other, because what effects us effects them. With just seen that with Russia, Syria, ISIS etc. We make good enemies and good allies.
We're always going to be competing against them. But I would much rather have have the rules to govern that competition than go back to our relationship of the previous thousand years.
I find it amusing than both now and the time when we joined that you like to bring up we were negotiating independently.
I wasnt around when we joined, Still we got a damn good deal when we joined the EU so I can't help but feel they would have had some good reasons to object. Just like they have good reason to object to an extension.
People should be given one of three choices
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That seems like the only logical way forward. So, it won't happen.
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That seems like the only logical way forward. So, it won't happen.
All for this ^^^
At least a reasoned choice an be made. However, as there are 3 choices, technically 34% will be a majority - say if 34% vote remain (and I say this as a remainer), then 66% of the country still want to leave. I think we need the 3 choices presented, but one of them needs to be a clear winner (eg 60% of the total vote) to be binding.
Or we could just scrap it all, revoke article 50 and go on as we were...which was quite prosperous and growing.......
EDIT: I find the whole 'put it to the public' a bit strange though. We live in a democracy, and what that means is we democratically vote in a government to govern. You don't get a dog and bark yourself. The public (me included) are simply not educated enough in the economics and all the nuances and implications of leaving the EU to make a valid choice. That is what government is for? Although to new fair they are making such a mess, then maybe joe bloggs in the street is more informed.