Off Topic Politics Thread

Hard to say, but I don't think they're going to do spectacularly well with those constituencies as it stands; in general, though, concentrated strong support will lead to more seats than broad-but-weak totals.

 

I would rather go by another official referendum but this is what we've got.

 

No. Not true. Again.

The non registered limit applies during election campaigns. They underspent that limit so they didn't have to register. Stop trying to spread mud about something that was entirely within the rules.

You did it earlier when you said that Remain outspent during the referendum but you claimed they were better at hiding it. No evidence, just that they did it and got away with it. Spreading mud without evidence.

You spend your life on sites like Guido the propagandist and his methods start to seem reasonable. They aren't.

Vin

 

Thanks, that's the best reply I've ever had to a post

 

Man of the People:

 

Man of the people. He's going to look after the interests of depressed communities, against the global elite.

 

Guido is a Boris loving conspiracy troll. The owner even has a website that is pushing Boris for PM. No one should believe anything that site says.

 

Just a red rose, which isn’t visible on the original picture.

 

So?

 

I'm standing up for the 16.1 million who weren't deluded by the brexit propaganda.

 

So, you said the Asian lady had a red rosette, but in the picture posted of winning Brexit candidates that rose is not visible.

I don’t know why you said what you did, but it made me google her and now we know a local former nurse is an MEP.

 

Apologies, I realise now you weren’t quoting from the video at all, so now it all makes perfect sense. Please ignore my earlier post.

 

Haha...no worries, a lot gets posted on this thread....kinda weird the first picture I found had her with a red rose on her lapel.

 

Democratic Socialism in the USA. Who'da thought it? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. If you haven't heard the name, I predict you eventually will. She is a Democrat Representative for Queens, New York. She displaced the incumbant democrat representative Joe Crowley, who was to become the next Democrat leader, and who'd been the Rep for NYC for the previous 14 years without opposition and who'd never lived there, but resided in Virginia. He'd long been bought off by big business, raking in $3 million dollars per year in handouts. This young lady has been funded by her individual supporters in Queens. She refuses corporate backing. She's been in office for 11 months and in that time has been a revelation, proposing USA's Green New Deal.
Here is an example of what she is exposing in government in her own way, challenging the House Oversight Committee to shed light on the US financial system and political corruption. Note how easily this applies to Donald Trump:

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Bear in mind that nobody has asked this before. They are beginning to call her the moral leader of the Democrats. At 29, she's too young to run for President [I didn't know you could be].

 

Wow! How old does she have to be to run for President?

 

Haven't a Scooby, Chilco. I'm just looking it up.

EDIT: 35 minimum.

 

Philanthropist MacKensie Bezos is about to give away half her $37 Billion dollars. She says...

"In addition to whatever assets life has nurtured in me, I have a disproportionate amount of money to share," she said in a statement. "My approach to philanthropy will continue to be thoughtful. It will take time and effort and care."

Well that's nice to hear. Of course there are philanthropists everywhere. And nobody asks them to give. They never get the option:

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Yes, this image comes up quite often on here.

 

Some of this is just a bit inaccurate.

- Crowley was never "to become" anything. He would've been a possible contender for House leader, but he wouldn't have been the frontrunner, as he wasn't a particularly high profile figure.

- Most representatives, particularly those with families, maintain a residence in the Washington DC area (which Virginia is). Ocasio-Cortez does, as well. This is by necessity; you cannot commute back and forth daily, and if you have a family, leaving them behind means that you'd only see them once every couple weeks.

- The talk of "corporate handouts" completely misunderstands fundraising in the United States. First and foremost, in talking about the $3m he raised, you're looking at his campaign spending as a whole; that's not where the really pernicious corporate money flows in the American system. Receipts by campaigns themselves are strictly limited...it's really hard to buy off a candidate for a few thousand dollars. Additionally, much of that money comes from individuals, as spending is broken down by the industry for which that individual worked; ie., if you check Ocasio-Cortez, you will see that she received $43k+ from the financial securities industry, because some individuals in the financial securities industry liked her. That's not the same as corporate spending.

The real problem in corporate spending comes via what are known as Super PACs, which are vehicles for nearly unlimited, and generally untracked, spending. The differentiation is that they are nominally separate from campaigns, and thus do not have to abide by the same rules. They do not, however, really maintain that separation, opening up a tonne of room for graft and favour-trading. None of that $3m involves Super PACs.

- Despite what this suggests, Crowley was one of the more left-leaning members of the House. You'd have to be; Queens itself is quite left-leaning.

- Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has not been funded primarily by her constituents. Quite the opposite: while she is funded largely by individual donors, most of those donations came from outside of her district, and indeed outside her state. This isn't a slight on her; that's quite normal.


I actually like Ocasio-Cortez, but some of the myth-making has gotten well and truly out of hand.

(If you wish to verify any of this, go to opensecrets.org, which has a great breakdown of the funding sources for anyone who has submitted financial disclosure forms, which is anyone who has run for office).