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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    The Conservative Party are an absolute irrelevance, but the conservative press won’t treat them as such. Expect yet more years of infantile headlines about Stopping the Boats and the War on Woke etc. every time Badenoch trots out the same tired script.
     
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  2. The Ides of March

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    You can add to that "cutting tax," "smaller Government," "efficiency savings." So nothing new to excite the electorate. The best thing for the Tories would be for Reform to blitz them in any forthcoming by-elections. Perhaps they might then realise that " populism" isn't working for them.
     
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  3. San Tejón

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    I’m waiting for the right wing tories to start questioning if Badenough is culturally British, seeing as (although she was born here when her parents exploited a loophole to get her a British passport) she spent her first 16 years in Nigeria and some time in the USA.
    I think a few used to question Sunak’s cultural identity, despite him having been born in Southampton and raised in the UK.
     
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  4. San Tejón

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    This is something that Martin Lewis has been battling to get changed. It’s a total nonsense that the benefit is based on the highest earners income and not based on household income.
    Another own goal by Labour that is getting headlines when people should be talking about the good things that they are introducing, especially for workers.
     
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  5. ChilcoSaint

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    Except that Reform are more populist than the Tories have ever been, so that would just make them lurch even further to the right. Their only hope is to return to the centre ground, the One Nation ideals of Heath and Major.
     
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  6. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    Benefit entitlement fixed thresholds have always and will always have this issue
    Eg Carers Allowance
    I suspect governments don’t want to change them to tapers thresholds because the admin and other issues are horrendous
    Eg Working Tax Credit
     
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  7. ImpSaint

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    Those nasty racist Tory members gone and put their X in the wrong box! Must've thought her name translated to none of the above.

    In other news, non Tory voters seem unable to access wiki or any other source of info and start all their posts with "Nigerian Born Kemi Badenoch." Lol

    I did say that she was the choice for the members if the MPs had not done their machinations last time to get her out and Truss through instead. They tried again this time and failed. Pity she is now in opposition. Would have been a better option than Sunak for that last period at least before being voted out.
     
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  8. ImpSaint

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    Need to add in context on things like this. The above will be countered by the fact that despite base rate cuts, the reaction to the budget has meant that all mortgage providers have raised their rates!! Monthly mortgage increases will counter a rush to avoid stamp duty.
     
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  9. ImpSaint

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    Rejoining the Customs Unión and Single Market lead by that tory harridan? Pissing in the wind comes to mind.[/QUOTE]

    In dreamland there but I admire the hopism. She is anti EU. Thatcher MkII. She is however not following the headline grabbing but little more than that "we must lave the ECHR" which would mean nothing. Other countries are in the ECHR that have no problem deporting people. The problem is how our own judges and legal people interpret the laws which are embedded within our own legal framework. Getting rid of ECHR would just mean replacing it with our own version (replacing what in effect was our own version anyway. lol) and the judgements would still be the same.

    Those championing rubbish like getting rid of the ECHR are playing the joker card when they know that our laws are made by the people by their appointed representatives in the house of commons and that courts merely interpret what those laws decide. It isn't an EU judge over-ruling our courts. It is our judges applying our law, a law that we created ourselves in the first place anyway, so if we want different outcomes then they need to change the law itself. We have left the EU so any EU judge that were to over-rule our own courts can be ignored by our own sovereign courts.

    Either way the argument is BS as it only affects a small number of deportations. It doesn't stop the EU from allowing illegal migrants to enter and pass through the EU. It doesn't stop the French from letting them pass through and then provide escorts to the dinghys to midpoint in the channel where our border force make a transfer. Going to take a lot to get that sorted while the French are happy to look the other way. Its their border they should be policing. We should be withdrawing any payment to France to police this until they start doing it but then maybe that would bankrupt Calais?
     
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  10. The Ides of March

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    That is exactly what I said! The other would be to focus on policies to grow the economy, oñe being to rejoin the SM and Customs Unión. If Kemi had the wit to do that, what would Starmer be forced to do?
     
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    Is Southampton in the UK? If it is, perhaps the time has come for Hampshire to become an independent state!
     
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    As a registered citizen of Mercia I will, of course, support your cause ;)
     
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  13. Billy Flanders

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    Chancellor admits she was 'wrong' during election when she said taxes would not have to go up
    The first guest on this week's edition of Sunday Morning with Trevor Phillips is Chancellor Rachel Reeves.

    We start with a TV clip of her from during the election campaign, on 11 June, in which she said: "We don't need higher taxes. What we need is growth and I don't want to, and I have no plans to increase any taxes beyond those which we have already set out."

    Yet this week, she raised the overall tax burden by £40bn, so we ask why anyone should believe a word she tells the public going forward.

    She replies: "I was wrong on 11 June. I didn't know everything, because when I arrived at the Treasury on 5 July, so just under a month after I said those words.

    "I was taken into a room by the senior officials at the Treasury, and they set out the huge black hole in the public finances beyond which anybody knew about at the time of the general election, because the previous government hid it from the country, they hid it from parliament and indeed, they hid it from the official independent forecaster."

    To that end, she says she "had to put our public finances back on a firm trajectory".

    But Trevor Phillips puts to her that she said the black hole amounted to £22bn, yet she raised taxes by £40bn.
     
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  14. Billy Flanders

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    So the Chancellor admits she lied, Labour lied during the election.

    They will point to this black hole, but this is bollocks, they raised taxes £40bn.
     
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    Dude, you actually need to look up definition of lied. Because it I look out my window, see no rain -but actually it is raining - and I say it is not raining then I am telling the truth - but wrong.

    She says she got it wrong. How refreshing!
     
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  16. Billy Flanders

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    No, she said one thing, then did the other. That is lying. Just cos she said she got it wrong, doesn't make it not lying,she just chose to use a word that didn't sound so bad.

    I actually don't really give a **** either way, but just cos you support Labour doesn't mean you can't admit they lied.

    I've said it previously, I hope they sort everything out and do well, as that means the country and theoretically we all do better.

    This isnt even semantics, you/other say they got it wrong, me and others say they lied.

    It would be interesting if they announced the budget back before the GE how many voters they'd have lost.

    In fact I think I've cracked reforming part of politics. Each party should be made to make a budget prior to the GE, and voters pick who they want from the pledges in the budget. And there should be an independent body who makes them stick to it.

    But please stop defending the indefensible, they said one thing then did another, and who knows how many votes they'd have lost if they were honest up front.

    I don't even blame them for doing it, but they are just coming across as bad as the previous crooks they replaced.
     
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  17. Archers Road

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    They played the game mate, to get elected. The Tories and their compliant media were queuing up to stick the boot in over any mention of tax rises, so of course Labour we’re going to be evasive.

    Now Labour are finally back in power, let’s wait and see what they do. The country has been on life support for years and needs major surgery, not the vacuous bullshit which is all we ever got fro the Tories. At least Rachel Reeves has shown a willingness to take decisive action. A solid 8 out of 10 I rate her budget, given the desperate circumstances we find ourselves in thanks to the work of the Blue Bastards
     
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  18. Billy Flanders

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    Yeah I agree Archers, they played a blinder to get in. I just take issue with people not allowing it to be called out. It doesn't matter now, they are in and as you say, see what they can do.

    I can't abide the blind defence at all matters attitude. It is wreckless and embarrassing.

    And yeah, see how we fair with the tough budget, it may work, it may fail. We live and die by the sword...
     
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    Saying: I have no plans to raise taxes is not I will not raise taxes. And it definitely isn’t lying unless you have a quote that says: we definitely won’t raise any taxes?

    But I am pro taxation, so who gives a **** anyway?
     
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  20. Billy Flanders

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    <laugh>

    Sure. Must be great in your world.
     
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