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Some examples of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown's "liberal" comments:
On Uganda:
“We loathed — most of us, not all of us — there was a loathing of black-skinned people. Kampala in the evening became an Indian city. It belonged to us.”
On the Niqab She has been challenged by many muslims that say it should be the woman's choice whether they what they wear and if they want to cover their faces then they should be allowed to. For someone that talks about liberty and freedom it seems strange to take this viewpoint:
"That all-covering gown, that headscarf, that face mask – all affirm and reinforce the belief that women are a hazard to men and society. These are unacceptable, iniquitous values, enforced violently by Taliban, Saudi and Iranian oppressors. They have no place in our country. So why are so many British females sending out those messages about themselves?"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/fully-veiled-women-hinder-progressive-islam-8817963.html
And a link to one attack on that article from a muslim woman:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/afroze-zaidijivraj/niqab-ban_b_3932104.html
On Corbyn and the mayoral candidate:
"I like Corbyn, but let's face it: we don't need another white man at the head of a political party"
"I am uneasy about Tessa Jowell getting selected. She is a woman, talented and persuasive. Yet she is an establishment figure while her rivals – Sadiq Khan, David Lammy and Diane Abbott – are not so grand. They are the children of migrants and so better reflect London, the world’s most diverse city, made by incomers."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...t-the-head-of-a-political-party-10478920.html
On 25 August 2008, she appeared on Channel 5's The Wrght Stuff television discussion programme. In a discussion about an employment issue relating to white men, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown joked: "Take his advice. Don't apply. It would be great if you lot just went away; white, middle-class men. We'd just walk in, wouldn't we?" When challenged by the host for the day, Richard Bacon, "Is that not a racist comment?" she replied: "Of course."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasmin_Alibhai-Brown
She accused the Independent of being sexist when they didn't choose her as one of the survivors to go the online version. Nothing to do with the constant bile she produces but hey she found somewhere else to write...........Oops its the Daily Mail. I wonder if she supports "Stop funding Hate." Seems they don't mind which racist article writers they employ as long as they can balance it all up with the right kind of racism to counter the wrong kind of racism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Muslims-raise-children-fomenting-terror.html
During the 4th of June, 2006, edition of Dateline London, Gavin Essler posed this question: "What's wrong with white guys, by the way?" To which Alibhai-Brown replied: "I don't like them. I want them to be the lost species in 100 years".
She even gets mentioned in the US on left liberal websites....a lot because there's one above from the HuffPo as well:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steven-stewart/racism_b_5572743.html
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is a nasty piece of work that gets away with it because she is a minority. If the above was reversed and she were white pinpointing minorities and saying these things about them she would be hounded out of work by society and no-one would touch her yet she lives a life moving from studio to studio at the top of the pannelist lists on current affairs programmes and free to continually say this stuff.
She is fighting for equality yet wants mayors to be selected for what they represent. Something that That some people (Hillary's 2008 team and husband) suggested had happened with Obama.
She continually drops these little remarks in when she is mid rant and someone tries to say "hey what about white people."
Seems she has dropped that tone just to get her nose in at the Daily Mail! A publication she has spent years saying is disgusting but is happy to take the money now.
I won't link too many for Diane Abbott because the list is endless but this nugget would be enough to have finished her career had she been white:
In 1996, Abbott was criticised after she claimed that at her local hospital "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls were unsuitable as nurses because they had never met a black person before".[57] Abbott's apology came as Marc Wadsworth, executive member of the Anti-Racist Alliance, who is half-Finnish, pointed out that the current Miss Finland, Lola Odusoga, is black, of Nigerian and Finnish descent. "She's a black Finn like me," he said. Abbott's position was supported by fellow Labour MP Bernie Grant: "Bringing someone here from Finland who has never seen a black person before and expecting them to have to have some empathy with black people is nonsense. Scandinavian people don't know black people—they probably don't know how to take their temperature".
Cast your mind back a few months and you will see a similarity here because this kind of statement is often trotted out by politicians of all sides when trying to stick the knife into people over racism. Anna Soubry just after the referendum result said the referendum was "lost" because of "white working class voters who had probably never seen a migrant before."
The latter is not a hate crime but under the current rules most of Yasmin's and most of Diane's are as is Bernie Grant's defence of that comment by Abbott.
I am not defending the Mail nor Breitbart. They are what they are but there is a definite dual standard in what people (that are seen to be) on the liberal left can say and what those on the right can say in public, in print and on TV in many cases.
You're being very selective about Alibhai Brown Imps - taking quotes out of context and in a manner that deliberstely distorts their meaning. The quote about Kampala is her being honest about the racism in her own culture - she's not excusing it, quite the opposite in fact. I'm quite familiar with her work - she is an outspoken, progressive, liberal muslim, and not particularly left wing either. Journalists are often deliberately controversial, it sells papers, but imo it would be absurd to accuse her of being in any way racist. She's married to a white English academic for a start.
Diane Abbott sticks her foot in her mouth all the time. I don't for a second think she's racist though - she's a high profile black woman in a white man's world, and she's not above playing the victim card, but I think you'd have to be pretty sensitive to be offended by her. She's not my favourite Labour politician btw. But she's harmless.
Again, for me there is no comparison between these two outspoken voices of the democratic left, and the steady drip of poisonous bile coming every day from the Mail, Express, & especially Breitbart. You are not comparing like with like at all here imo.
Diane Abbott sticks her foot in her mouth all the time. I don't for a second think she's racist though - she's a high profile black woman in a white man's world, and she's not above playing the victim card, but I think you'd have to be pretty sensitive to be offended by her. She's not my favourite Labour politician btw. But she's harmless.
Again, for me there is no comparison between these two outspoken voices of the democratic left, and the steady drip of poisonous bile coming every day from the Mail, Express, & especially Breitbart. You are not comparing like with like at all here imo.
Black St. Louis high school student attacked with hot glue gun
Pics at the link. They are nasty as hell, America has gone to ****.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...udent-attacked-hot-glue-gun-article-1.2876280
Pics at the link. They are nasty as hell, America has gone to ****.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...udent-attacked-hot-glue-gun-article-1.2876280
America has been through worse, to be fair. Slavery, civil war, several assassinated presidents, a great depression, Mcarthyism, Vietnam, Watergate. It's still the wild west out there, but a civilisation is slowly taking shape. They're having a **** time of it right now though.
Imagine evolution had made the scientific decision that white skin reflected sun light and black skin absorbed it and all Europeans were black and Africans white.
Imagine all the slaves were white.
Imagine there were no gorillas or chimpanzees only red haired orangutans and blond gibbons.
Imagine all humans actually had the same colour skin.
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace.
Imagine all the slaves were white.
Imagine there were no gorillas or chimpanzees only red haired orangutans and blond gibbons.
Imagine all humans actually had the same colour skin.
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace.
WASHINGTON — In 1981, a Justice Department prosecutor from Washington stopped by to see Jeff Sessions, the United States attorney in Mobile, Ala., at the time. The prosecutor, J. Gerald Hebert, said he had heard a shocking story: A federal judge had called a prominent white lawyer “a disgrace to his race” for representing black clients.
“Well,” Mr. Sessions replied, according to Mr. Hebert, “maybe he is.”
In testimony before Congress in 1986, Mr. Hebert and others painted an unflattering portrait of Mr. Sessions, who would go on to become a senator from Alabama and now, according to numerous sources close to President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition team, is a potential nominee for attorney general or secretary of defense. Mr. Hebert testified that Mr. Sessions had referred to the American Civil Liberties Union and the N.A.A.C.P. as “un-American” for “trying to force civil rights down the throats of people.”
One African-American prosecutor testified that Mr. Sessions had called him “boy” and joked that he thought that the Ku Klux Klan “was O.K. until I found out they smoked pot.”
Mr. Sessions denied calling the lawyer “boy” but acknowledged or did not dispute the substance of the other remarks. The bitter testimony sank his nomination by President Ronald Reagan to be a federal district court judge and foreshadowed the questions that Mr. Sessions could face at another set of Senate confirmation hearings if Mr. Trump nominates him for a cabinet position.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us...inet.html?_r=0
“Well,” Mr. Sessions replied, according to Mr. Hebert, “maybe he is.”
In testimony before Congress in 1986, Mr. Hebert and others painted an unflattering portrait of Mr. Sessions, who would go on to become a senator from Alabama and now, according to numerous sources close to President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition team, is a potential nominee for attorney general or secretary of defense. Mr. Hebert testified that Mr. Sessions had referred to the American Civil Liberties Union and the N.A.A.C.P. as “un-American” for “trying to force civil rights down the throats of people.”
One African-American prosecutor testified that Mr. Sessions had called him “boy” and joked that he thought that the Ku Klux Klan “was O.K. until I found out they smoked pot.”
Mr. Sessions denied calling the lawyer “boy” but acknowledged or did not dispute the substance of the other remarks. The bitter testimony sank his nomination by President Ronald Reagan to be a federal district court judge and foreshadowed the questions that Mr. Sessions could face at another set of Senate confirmation hearings if Mr. Trump nominates him for a cabinet position.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us...inet.html?_r=0
Man would still find something to fight for.
I was just perusing the UK election records out of interest r.e. the connection between winning an election with less popular vote and post-war I can find 2 occasions.
The first in 1951:
Conservatives got 321 seats with 13,717,850 votes
Labour got 295 seats with 13,948,385 votes.
The other in 1974:
Labour got 301 seats with 11,645,616 votes
Conservatives got 297 seats with 11,872,180 votes.
The first in 1951:
Conservatives got 321 seats with 13,717,850 votes
Labour got 295 seats with 13,948,385 votes.
The other in 1974:
Labour got 301 seats with 11,645,616 votes
Conservatives got 297 seats with 11,872,180 votes.
Many years ago, circa 1971/72, when I was politically active and living in Campden Town. Close by on a rail bridge nearby there was scrawled what is now a cliche .. 'Whoever you vote for the government gets in'.. Like many cliches it contains an element of truth. It will be interesting to see whether and/or how Trump is contained by the system.
The other piece of graffiti on the bridge was.. 'Don't vote it only encourages them'...
I always like to read this thread because of the differing views, some of which I agree with, some I don't, and some which make me think, but sometimes some of the posts just seem to want to blow things out of proportion. It makes me wonder how these posters manage to get out of bed to face another day. The world is far from perfect and there are always threats from some lunatic somewhere but despite this we are incredibly lucky in this country. We don't live in Syria for example. If we all do what we can maybe we can make a difference somewhere but we can't change the world and you will go mad trying.
Go and tell a black USA person they are blowing it of porportion now Sessions has all but got in.
Go and tell a LGBT in the USA "but think of Syria" when they are worried their rights could be abolished.
If you want to make it about the UK. Go and tell the families were the parents go with out eating just so their children can have a new school uniform. Then you have the record amount of homeless and people going to the food banks.We actually have a increase of people starving to death in this country, how ****ed up is that?
Go and tell that to the disabled that are treated like **** in this country and have their benefits cut each year. Oh and have their medicals (for them to be able to benefits) done by people that aren't even qualified.
I could go on, but I am actually out of bed working. Just because you view yourself as lucky many people in this country actually aren't. Be like me and be greatful you aren't treated like **** by your own government.
Trying to compare a persons plight to that of another country is wrong.
Before any one says calm down. I am very calm as I always am on here. I just like to call out things I see as wrong. I myself am lucky, I have a well payed job, I have my own place etc. But I know full well many people in this country live terrible lives. I won't try to cheer them up by comparing it to another country.
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Buckingham Palace is to undergo a 10-year refurbishment costing the taxpayer £369m, the Treasury has announced.
The Queen will remain in residence during the work, to begin next April.
Ageing cables, lead pipes, wiring and boilers will be replaced, many for the first time in 60 years, owing to fears about potential fire and water damage.
Tony Johnstone-Burt, Master of the Queen's Household, said phased works offered the "best value for money" while keeping the palace running.
The works will be funded by a temporary increase in the Sovereign Grant, as recommended by the Royal Trustees, who include the prime minister and chancellor.
This funding change will require MPs' approval.
However, Republic, which campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy, called for an "independent inquiry and full disclosure" into the use of taxpayers' money.
The group said on Twitter: "Royal attitude always the same: it's theirs to use and ours to pay for. Time we took the palace back and turned it into a world class museum."
Source
The Queen will remain in residence during the work, to begin next April.
Ageing cables, lead pipes, wiring and boilers will be replaced, many for the first time in 60 years, owing to fears about potential fire and water damage.
Tony Johnstone-Burt, Master of the Queen's Household, said phased works offered the "best value for money" while keeping the palace running.
The works will be funded by a temporary increase in the Sovereign Grant, as recommended by the Royal Trustees, who include the prime minister and chancellor.
This funding change will require MPs' approval.
However, Republic, which campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy, called for an "independent inquiry and full disclosure" into the use of taxpayers' money.
The group said on Twitter: "Royal attitude always the same: it's theirs to use and ours to pay for. Time we took the palace back and turned it into a world class museum."
Source
Blimey think you have misunderstood my post just a bit there. I'd hate to see you post when you are wound up!
Got what you were trying to say. But didn't agree with it. I have never got wound up, so all is good.
Go look on reddit or twitter where "Sessions is against pot legalization. I'm mad!" posts outnumber complaints about Sessions being a racist by about 10 to 1.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/18/politi...ide/index.html
Trump announced Friday that he has chosen key members of his national security team, including CIA director, attorney general and national security advisor. Rep. Mike Pompeo of Kansas has been selected for CIA director. Retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn has been offered the job of national security advisor and Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions has been picked for attorney general. All three have accepted their offers.
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So to recap:
- Bannon, a white nationalist ideologue and the biggest pusher of the Alt-Right, will be Trump's chief strategist.
- Sessions, a man so racist that 80's GOP turned its back on him, will probably be the new AG.
- Flynn, who was utterly despised at the Defense Intelligence Agency, is a crazy islamophobe, appears on RT, dines with Putin and retweets Prison Planet articles will be the new national security advisor, no approval required.
- Pompeo, a total wingnut with no intelligence credentials (let alone actual acumen) and who has gone on the record to proclaim his desire of changing Iran's regime, will be the new head of the CIA.
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