Off Topic Politics Thread

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Lemons and Oranges said:
The problem is that he/his team will appeal, to a higher and higher court, up to and including the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 majority of judges who are 'Conservative Minded', so are likely to overturn this judgement. He might not appeal, the Supreme Court might not overturn the decision that Trump does not have presidential immunity. Pigs might fly.
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StJabbo1 said:
He's appealing of course and the case could go to the Supreme Court where conservatives hold a 6-3 majority.
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Lemons and Oranges said:
The problem is that he/his team will appeal, to a higher and higher court, up to and including the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 majority of judges who are 'Conservative Minded', so are likely to overturn this judgement. He might not appeal, the Supreme Court might not overturn the decision that Trump does not have presidential immunity. Pigs might fly.
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He almost definitely won't win with SCOTUS, even with the conservative majority. They already punted on it once and clearly don't want to deal with it, because ruling in his favour opens such a massive can of worms (not least because it also means giving Joe Biden complete immunity). I doubt they even take it up as a formal case...he'll appeal, they'll affirm the appellate court in an unsigned opinion.
 
Osvaldorama said:
Dialogue and free speech are always the first steps towards brokering peace.
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It's going to be 30 minutes of Carlson tongue-bathing Vladimir Putin as the saviour of western civilization, something he has been doing for years now. The Kremlin wouldn't have granted the interview otherwise, and I struggle to see how whitewashing Putin's reputation furthers the cause of peace.
 
Schad said:
It's going to be 30 minutes of Carlson tongue-bathing Vladimir Putin as the saviour of western civilization, something he has been doing for years now. The Kremlin wouldn't have granted the interview otherwise, and I struggle to see how whitewashing Putin's reputation furthers the cause of peace.
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I guess we will see what is said.

Can tell how much of the globalist military industrial complex’s propaganda you’ve swallowed by your reaction though
 
Schad said:
As always Os, you're nothing if not consistent.
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So are you. Attack the poster without making any good points.

For me it’s a very simple equation. The more communication, the less war.

An interview with Putin from a western journalist is a good idea. Anything that can de-escalate the war machine’s propaganda is worth a try.
 
Osvaldorama said:
So are you. Attack the poster without making any good points.

For me it’s a very simple equation. The more communication, the less war.

An interview with Putin from a western journalist is a good idea. Anything that can de-escalate the war machine’s propaganda is worth a try.
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Putin was trying to convince other countries to forcibly partition Ukraine before the 2014 'uprising' even occurred:

https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-does-think-about-partitioning-ukraine

So I was not surprised by the recent article by Ben Judah in Politico, quoting among others Radek Sikorski, the former foreign minister of Poland, who is now speaker of the Sejm, the Polish parliament (full disclosure: both men are friends of mine). Sikorski described Putin telling the then Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, at a meeting in Moscow that: “Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwów is a Polish city […] why don’t we just sort it out together? Luckily Tusk didn’t answer. He knew he was being recorded.”

Poland boiled over in outrage. Why had Sikorski and Tusk not made this public at the time? Why had they not warned Ukraine? If true, it was treasonous dereliction of duty. If not, it was rank fantasy. When it turned out that no such meeting had taken place in Moscow, Sikorski tried to apologise, lamely blaming faulty memory. The new prime minister, Ewa Kopacz, unhelpfully berated him. Then Tusk denied that he had ever discussed Ukraine with Putin.

Luckily for Sikorski, an official note-taker did record Putin (in Poland, not in Moscow, but who cares?) telling Tusk that Lwów – Lviv, as it is known to Ukrainians – used to be Polish. But more importantly, the ‘revelation’ was a surprise only to outsiders. Numerous European politicians know that Putin has suggested dividing Ukraine – not only with Poland, but with Hungary and Romania too.
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Fast forward a decade, and his call for peace is...forcibly partitioning Ukraine.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/vladimir-putin-trying-normalise-partition-153631556.html

Conquest is not peace.
 
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https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/26/tucker-carlson-rooting-for-russia-fox-news

This guy is a raving imbecile.
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He's such a brave truth-teller that Russian state media organs were explicitly told by the Kremlin (immediately after the 2022 invasion) that they should feature him as much as possible, because he parrots their messaging:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...n-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/

On March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor, the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.

“It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally,” advises the 12-page document written in Russian. It sums up Carlson’s position: “Russia is only protecting its interests and security.” The memo includes a quote from Carlson: “And how would the US behave if such a situation developed in neighboring Mexico or Canada?”
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