Off Topic Politics Thread

[Shandy_top_89]

Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative chair of the Commons foreign affairs committee, said President Putin had been “encouraged” to launch a full invasion of Ukraine by the limited nature of the sanctions package unveiled by the UK earlier this week.

Stables, doors and horses.

Ban dual nationality and revoke tier one visas.

Tobias Elwood was interesting, basically said all sanctions are irrelevant as Russia’s economic future lies with China anyway and basically said the only effective response was military.

Now watch as Johnson takes a stand by increasing the price of Russian state donation to the Conservative Party by 1p per MP.

By the way he and his party are specifically seriously SERIOUSLY compromised and unfit to lead the country in any conflict with Russia and major pressure needs to be put on them to cut their ties with Russian oligarchy.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Tobias Elwood was interesting, basically said all sanctions are irrelevant as Russia’s economic future lies with China anyway and basically said the only effective response was military.

Now watch as Johnson takes a stand by increasing the price of Russian state donation to the Conservative Party by 1p per MP.

By the way he and his party are specifically seriously SERIOUSLY compromised and unfit to lead the country in any conflict with Russia and major pressure needs to be put on them to cut their ties with Russian oligarchy.

James Cleverley lying his head off to Nick Ferrari this morning:

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[StJabbo1]

James Cleverley lying his head off to Nick Ferrari this morning:

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Got to keep highlighting the ongoing lies and deceit from the corrupt incompetent government and the their supporters in high places.

 

[StJabbo1]

Tobias Elwood was interesting, basically said all sanctions are irrelevant as Russia’s economic future lies with China anyway and basically said the only effective response was military.

Now watch as Johnson takes a stand by increasing the price of Russian state donation to the Conservative Party by 1p per MP.

By the way he and his party are specifically seriously SERIOUSLY compromised and unfit to lead the country in any conflict with Russia and major pressure needs to be put on them to cut their ties with Russian oligarchy.

The Russians would have been planning for this I understand they've dumped many assets in favour of gold.

 

[Gregm1988]

Tom Tugendhat, the Conservative chair of the Commons foreign affairs committee, said President Putin had been “encouraged” to launch a full invasion of Ukraine by the limited nature of the sanctions package unveiled by the UK earlier this week.

Stables, doors and horses.

Ban dual nationality and revoke tier one visas.

This is nonsense and a typical Tory MP move of drastically overvaluing our influence on the world’s stage

This has happened because no one has been historically strong enough against Russia, the response from the US isn’t strong enough and Europe is too reliant on Russian gas

Sure we could have made stricter sanctions. But the response of the U.K. isn’t the difference maker here

 

[ChilcoSaint]

This is nonsense and a typical Tory MP move of drastically overvaluing our influence on the world’s stage

This has happened because no one has been historically strong enough against Russia, the response from the US isn’t strong enough and Europe is too reliant on Russian gas

Sure we could have made stricter sanctions. But the response of the U.K. isn’t the difference maker here

Well at least Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Somerset Capital Management firm got shot of its shares in one of the few Russian companies to be sanctioned just in the nick of time. And there was me thinking insider dealing was illegal. Utter slime balls, the whole rotten, stinking bunch of them.

 

[San Tejón]

James Cleverley lying his head off to Nick Ferrari this morning:

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Well there we have it. It’s Jeremy Corbyn’s fault.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Well there we have it. It’s Jeremy Corbyn’s fault.

We should all be grateful to those selfless Russian oligarchs for saving us from Corbynism and ushering in this golden age we are living in.

 

[- Doing The Lambert Walk]

Personally, I would like to live in the lesser-spoken precedented times.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Already seeing absolute toenails on Twitter saying it's a false flag psyops thing now that Covid is over. I'd love to see them sent to the front line to see how they feel about that with a Kalashnikov up their hoop.

What they, with huge irony, don't seem to realise or comprehend, is that they themselves *are* part of a psyops campaign.

 

[Gregm1988]

There is a weird situation with Corbyn from people on the right

In one breath I am seeing things saying how things would be so much worse if he was PM given his comments and that it would be amazing for Russia if he was as he would let them get on with it

But then there is the suggestion that the Russians donated all this money to the tories to help ensure he didn’t win. And some tories seem to defend the donations because of this (or at least welcome them).

They can’t both be true. So what would Corbyn have been? The best thing for Russian foreign policy or such a bad threat to it that it justifies taking loads of bribes? It can’t be both. In truth it is probably neither

 

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This is a good speech from Boris. I can't stand the man but he might be decent in this situation.

I am with him about cutting Russian oil and gas. We can go without and cut this madman off.

 

[Shandy_top_89]

There is a weird situation with Corbyn from people on the right

In one breath I am seeing things saying how things would be so much worse if he was PM given his comments and that it would be amazing for Russia if he was as he would let them get on with it

But then there is the suggestion that the Russians donated all this money to the tories to help ensure he didn’t win. And some tories seem to defend the donations because of this (or at least welcome them).

They can’t both be true. So what would Corbyn have been? The best thing for Russian foreign policy or such a bad threat to it that it justifies taking loads of bribes? It can’t be both. In truth it is probably neither

Tbh neither Johnson or Corbyn are/would have been fit leaders for this situation.

Corbyns statement through the Stop the War coalition totally rejects any approach other than a pacifist response to Russia, which would be a complete failure in this instance. Many in his wing of the Labour Party also buy into this tripe that NATO have somehow provoked this situation, when there is only one aggressor here, it is entirely Russia’s responsibility. There is no space for kid gloves in dealing with them, it will only lead to worsening conflict later down the line.

As for Johnson, for anyone who glorifies Churchill and WWII my best description of Johnson in this situation would be Neville Chamberlain, if he was on the payroll of Nazi affiliated billionaires.

The only way to get the correct leadership here is for the Conservatives to cut all of their ties with Russian oligarchy, right now (which means saying no to money, which is more important to them than the proper defence of the U.K. and Europe it would seem) or for Starmer’s Labour and other sensible pragmatic centrist parties to come in which isn’t possible for at least two years.

 

[Shandy_top_89]

This is a good speech from Boris. I can't stand the man but he might be decent in this situation.

I am with him about cutting Russian oil and gas. We can go without and cut this madman off.

It is all meaningless unless he backs those words up with action and I mean serious action, which frankly I do not believe will be forthcoming. He is a compromised man in this situation and imo a security threat to this country unless he cuts his ties to Russian money.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

There is a weird situation with Corbyn from people on the right

In one breath I am seeing things saying how things would be so much worse if he was PM given his comments and that it would be amazing for Russia if he was as he would let them get on with it

But then there is the suggestion that the Russians donated all this money to the tories to help ensure he didn’t win. And some tories seem to defend the donations because of this (or at least welcome them).

They can’t both be true. So what would Corbyn have been? The best thing for Russian foreign policy or such a bad threat to it that it justifies taking loads of bribes? It can’t be both. In truth it is probably neither

I think it's conflating two different things. Corbyn wouldn't be great in this situation, the tories are twats. Both things can be true simultaneously.

 

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Time to admit that Russia owns London and just confiscate everything in the capital until you prove you own it and are not russian. Easy.

 

[garysfc]

Tobias Elwood was interesting, basically said all sanctions are irrelevant as Russia’s economic future lies with China anyway and basically said the only effective response was military.

Now watch as Johnson takes a stand by increasing the price of Russian state donation to the Conservative Party by 1p per MP.

By the way he and his party are specifically seriously SERIOUSLY compromised and unfit to lead the country in any conflict with Russia and major pressure needs to be put on them to cut their ties with Russian oligarchy.

yep, China will be loving this.

 

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Time to admit that Russia owns London and just confiscate everything in the capital until you prove you own it and are not russian. Easy.

Boris will probably want to keep quiet about his time as mayor, signing off on property developments backed by foreign interests. I wonder if the London Evening Standard - owner, Evgeny Lebedev - will be doing any investigative reporting?

 

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Boris will probably want to keep quiet about his time as mayor, signing off on property developments backed by foreign interests. I wonder if the London Evening Standard - owner, Evgeny Lebedev - will be doing any investigative reporting?

We at some point we are going to have to face up to the very real threat Russian poses to us from within.

 

[StJabbo1]

Tbh neither Johnson or Corbyn are/would have been fit leaders for this situation.

Corbyns statement through the Stop the War coalition totally rejects any approach other than a pacifist response to Russia, which would be a complete failure in this instance. Many in his wing of the Labour Party also buy into this tripe that NATO have somehow provoked this situation, when there is only one aggressor here, it is entirely Russia’s responsibility. There is no space for kid gloves in dealing with them, it will only lead to worsening conflict later down the line.

As for Johnson, for anyone who glorifies Churchill and WWII my best description of Johnson in this situation would be Neville Chamberlain, if he was on the payroll of Nazi affiliated billionaires.

The only way to get the correct leadership here is for the Conservatives to cut all of their ties with Russian oligarchy, right now (which means saying no to money, which is more important to them than the proper defence of the U.K. and Europe it would seem) or for Starmer’s Labour and other sensible pragmatic centrist parties to come in which isn’t possible for at least two years.

Those centrist parties will have to agree on a strategy whereby the best placed candidate takes on the tory incumbent. There may, here's hoping, be a hung parliament where electoral reform is a condition of forming a coalition.