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This to from the orange one.
Donald Trump has said that Vladimir Putin is “very savvy” and made a “genius” move by declaring two regions of eastern Ukraine as independent states and moving Russian armed forces to them.
Right now I am quite pleased the US wastes all its money on the military. They are a ****hole but a vastly preferable ****hole to Russia. Putin would be halfway across Germany by now if there was no military check to his ambition.
He actually gets even more ridiculous when he suggests the US should do that on their southern border. The US already owns that land. Unless he means declare parts of northern Mexico “independent” and send in the troops
The only reason putin tries this is because there is a pre-existing separatist movement in those regions. There aren’t chunks of northern Mexico who want to split from Mexico and join the US. It is just baffling
To be fair it is pretty easy to create separatist feeling if you are a richer, more powerful country willing to flood areas with propaganda. The US maybe should have done it with South America rather than aiding all those cartels.
I am not serious of course, but both are immoral in different ways.
Can someone just shoot Putin so I can get back to enjoying the boredom of world peace?
The French, Spanish historically and of late the Germans but that's more the battle of the loungers by the pool.
Just watched that odious pile of ****, Michael Gove, admitting to being ashamed at the condition of some social housing, that tenants are living in.
IT WAS HIS GOVERNMENT THAT REFUSED TO PASS A LAW MAKING ALL RENTAL ACCOMMODATION HABITABLE.
Two faced ****, pretending that he give a flying ****.
IT WAS HIS GOVERNMENT THAT REFUSED TO PASS A LAW MAKING ALL RENTAL ACCOMMODATION HABITABLE.
Two faced ****, pretending that he give a flying ****.
What a cretinous couple of comments, from Ben Wallace. At a time when our government should be looking for a peaceful solution, he comes out with stupid gung ho remarks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60496122
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-60496122
A good report from Byline Times which explains Johnson’s links to the Russians that have bought the Tory party.
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/...GAFS8ddVIX0gT03yB4TFvEFSYu53cBJyIXbFNJhMEsas4
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/...GAFS8ddVIX0gT03yB4TFvEFSYu53cBJyIXbFNJhMEsas4
I am not surprised by Putin's assault of Ukraine but wish the West would keep their noses out. The whole scenario has been prompted by the desire to expand Nato further eastwards. I am not sure we should really wanting to form pacts with counties like Ukraine whose relationship with Russia is such that it would be difficult to decide exactly who were on the "good side. "
The BBC coverage yesterday was poor in relation to the opposition to any UK intervention. It hardly got any coverage and little was made of "Stop the War" issuing a statement. The coverage of Jermey Corbyn criticising UK intervention was framed in a context with both showed the lack of interest within parliament of any political parties to view this matter with any caution and the was at the same time typcial of the BBC's distain for JC. In my opinion, he is one of the few politians in the UK talking any sense.
Without doubt, Putin's actions are atrocious. However, no one seems to be reporting just how the Russian public are viewing this and whether they share his anymosity towards Ukraine. Unless this de-escalates, I can see this eventually affecting the Baltic states and even Poland. The West's decision to arm the Ukraine army was rash and irresponsible. In my opinion, the West should step aside and let things take their course. I am not convinced that Putin would ultimately survive a protracted and dangerous war in Ukraine and think that this has the potential for him to ultimately undermine himself.
Nato involvement will only exacerbate the problem. I am more and more convinced that we should quit Nato as soon as is possible. Just as well that we can no longer be part of an EU army. Does anyone else agree that it is time for the UK to become neutral ?
The BBC coverage yesterday was poor in relation to the opposition to any UK intervention. It hardly got any coverage and little was made of "Stop the War" issuing a statement. The coverage of Jermey Corbyn criticising UK intervention was framed in a context with both showed the lack of interest within parliament of any political parties to view this matter with any caution and the was at the same time typcial of the BBC's distain for JC. In my opinion, he is one of the few politians in the UK talking any sense.
Without doubt, Putin's actions are atrocious. However, no one seems to be reporting just how the Russian public are viewing this and whether they share his anymosity towards Ukraine. Unless this de-escalates, I can see this eventually affecting the Baltic states and even Poland. The West's decision to arm the Ukraine army was rash and irresponsible. In my opinion, the West should step aside and let things take their course. I am not convinced that Putin would ultimately survive a protracted and dangerous war in Ukraine and think that this has the potential for him to ultimately undermine himself.
Nato involvement will only exacerbate the problem. I am more and more convinced that we should quit Nato as soon as is possible. Just as well that we can no longer be part of an EU army. Does anyone else agree that it is time for the UK to become neutral ?
Thought that the Speaker in the House was totally out of order, telling Caroline Lucas to hurry up with her question, yet completely allowing her comments to be shouted down by the Tory rabble, causing her to stop speaking.
It wouldn’t have happened under Bercow’s control.
One thing I have learned, over the years, is that compared to other governments around the world the behaviour of our MPs is utterly disgraceful.
It wouldn’t have happened under Bercow’s control.
One thing I have learned, over the years, is that compared to other governments around the world the behaviour of our MPs is utterly disgraceful.
Lindsey Hoyle is a complete nonentity compared to Bercow. His behaviour regarding Caroline Lucas was disgraceful, but as well as that, after PMQ’s a number of Points of Order were raised concerning answers Johnson had given, some of them blatant lies such as saying Alex Salmond was still a member of the SNP. Hoyle made no attempt to try and make Johnson stay to address these points, so the corrections will be done in written form, just like Chris Bryant’s point of order on Monday correcting Johnson’s lie about Roman Abramovich having been sanctioned was. The precedent has now been set for the Prime Minister to tell blatant lies in the House without fear of being called out. All this is yet another nail in the coffin of the government’s being held to account, and another step towards totalitarian rule by this bunch of proto-fascists.
Can't say I agree with this, Ian.
The UK aren't really 'intervening', over and above sanctions. Neither are NATO 'involved' as such. Yes, they've provided some defensive arms and training to Ukrainian forces, and quite right too. They're a sovereign nation, regardless of whether a gangster like Putin recognises that. Appeasement, as you are suggesting, or even just ignoring it, hasn't worked out terribly well historically.
I was interested you state that "no one seems to be reporting just how the Russian public are viewing this" - I asked my wife about this, as she's my go-to when it comes to all things why and where in the media (for very good reason). As she said, "we'd love to be reporting this, but do you really think we could get anybody in Russia to talk openly and honestly about that?"
The part I do agree with, and which I've stated before myself, is that I also am not convinced Putin would survive a protracted war.
Can I also add that the comments which are geting shouted down quite a lot are entirely reasonable and, in the case of Lucas, common sense.
I echo the comments about Boris lying in Parliament and think that the current speaker does come across as quite weak. What I would add is that it does strike me as wrong that certian MPs like Lucas and Blackford seem to get ridiculed by all sides of the House. A great shame for me is that Blackford always manages to land his punches yet no one seems to really care that , by rights, Boris should be on the canvas by now. It does make you worry for democracy when so many unthinking and partisan idiots have been elected as MPs.
Are you sure? We've been given to understand that once enacted they would be cast in stone never to be revoked.
This is a fascinating read about Rees-Mogg’s latest escapades:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496534446287331329.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496534446287331329.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496534446287331329.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496534446287331329.html
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Of all the insults I've heard directed Gove's way, referring to him as Boris' emotional support turbot is comfortably in the top 10.