Could you not join an actual politics debating forum with more users purely there for the politics, rather than a football forum with a sub thread relating to politics, just an idea.
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Could you not join an actual politics debating forum with more users purely there for the politics, rather than a football forum with a sub thread relating to politics, just an idea.
I could, but it is more convenient doing it on here, for me.
I guess where I do it is more down to me though, unless you're trying to, you know, get to know me more
For me, i was just dipping my toe into the subject, and based on what I see in this thread, not sure id want to know much more!
But your trying to know more about a subject on a forum not even remotely related to it and then try and make a scene over it, very odd! You either have to much time on yours hands or indeed are just WUM as someone already pointed out.
I'm all for a debate, however I'll agree with Billy that not much takes place on here. I don't think though, that it is because there are a possie of vocal socialists on here (myself included) who exclude debate but rather that opposing views don't come very often and don't tend to be very constructive. When the debate is about Brexit, I still have yet to hear a cohesive argument why Brexit is a good idea...from anyone.
Likewise with criticism of the government, I've heard nothing that tells me that the current crowd in charge are making any decisions for the betterment of the population and until that changes I will be openly critical and indeed angry at how we are being governed.
I think that is why the forum can be a bit of an echo chamber on certain topics.
I long for someone to come on here and try to educate me as to why my opinion of the current government should change. There may be things that I'm missing and I'm happy to have them pointed out to me.
None of the above was sarcasm, and I genuinely do want to hear if there are any alternatives to socialism that don't come at a cost to the 'common man'
Likewise with criticism of the government, I've heard nothing that tells me that the current crowd in charge are making any decisions for the betterment of the population and until that changes I will be openly critical and indeed angry at how we are being governed.
I think that is why the forum can be a bit of an echo chamber on certain topics.
I long for someone to come on here and try to educate me as to why my opinion of the current government should change. There may be things that I'm missing and I'm happy to have them pointed out to me.
None of the above was sarcasm, and I genuinely do want to hear if there are any alternatives to socialism that don't come at a cost to the 'common man'
Where I get info really is nothing to do with you! There is a thread on here for people to discuss poilitcs, so is natural to look into it in a place where I regularly visit.
How much time i have on my hands again is of no consequence, and your WUM comment is pretty pathetic. If you dont like reading stuff I write, dont read it or stick me on ignore.
Personally I think the whole message board should be closed down. Everything there is to say about football has been said and as for name calling I was astonished at how some Everton fans referred to our club. As for the level of debate "We was robbed" is hardly intellectually stimulating. Having said all that I suppose the answer is for me to ****off and look elsewhere.
It really isnt because I am a (no need for swearing) Saint.
Let's leave it there, hey Godders - I really dont want for us to fall out, maybe we are just different in our approach to wishing people ill...
For the record, I don’t think this thread should ever have been allowed. This is a Football forum with an off topic thread. I always thought politics and religion were subjects that were “banned” but I may have that wrong.
I voted against in the original poll. (A poll that never really finished; no time scale set out at the start)
This has been the most decisive thread on our board and BD seen several members leave permanently and temporarily. It even caused one of the most sincerest gentlemen I’ve had the oeasure I’d meeting time lose his status as a Mod and nearly banned too. Crazy. All because politics has and always will, cause people to fall out more than any other subject bar religion.
With the number of people who have left, id have stopped t his a long time ago if I owned not606.
I voted against in the original poll. (A poll that never really finished; no time scale set out at the start)
This has been the most decisive thread on our board and BD seen several members leave permanently and temporarily. It even caused one of the most sincerest gentlemen I’ve had the oeasure I’d meeting time lose his status as a Mod and nearly banned too. Crazy. All because politics has and always will, cause people to fall out more than any other subject bar religion.
With the number of people who have left, id have stopped t his a long time ago if I owned not606.
Im in total agreement. I can see why people have left or been banned over it, and as someone recently pointed out, if people want Politics forums I should find a separate one - doesn't that fit for everyone on here, or just me?
I think I will try to stay away, as it clearly isnt worth it.
Not a good place to learn about politics as it tends to be pretty much one sided. But that's because we are nice, caring people who don't have much time for those amongst us who wish to sell their compatriots down the river to make a few million quid in the manner that those like the saintly Jacob does. Maybe it's because you don't know much about politics that I mistook your lack of knowledge for WUM 'ery. If it's any consolation I don't think you would find religion much more rewarding.
Don't think you're helping the situation here. No politics thread on the Norwich board?
I like the different, dissenting voices in here. The personal attacks aren't necessary but for me the likes of Billy are an essential ingredient of this board. I can see why a politics board is controversial although I feel that the criticism of the current government is warranted. Even Tory voters I know are disappointed in Boris. He is the Ali Dia of prime Ministers - people thought he might be an amusing solution but it quickly transpired that he was out of his depth.
Boris will be gone after Brexit as Conservative dissent will grow. He is in a no win situation and has gone down so far in people's esteem that they cannot stick with him in a future election. If the Tories want to get elected again, then the Boris-crew will need to kicked in to touch. Like Ian Branfoot's Saints, few people ever believed in them and they need to be replaced root and branch. Matt Hancock is this government's Kerry Dixon with Dominic Cummings taking the Terry Hurlock role. We got rid of Branfoot and we can get rid of Boris too - even without the threat of a trip to Marwell!
Boris will be gone after Brexit as Conservative dissent will grow. He is in a no win situation and has gone down so far in people's esteem that they cannot stick with him in a future election. If the Tories want to get elected again, then the Boris-crew will need to kicked in to touch. Like Ian Branfoot's Saints, few people ever believed in them and they need to be replaced root and branch. Matt Hancock is this government's Kerry Dixon with Dominic Cummings taking the Terry Hurlock role. We got rid of Branfoot and we can get rid of Boris too - even without the threat of a trip to Marwell!
I'm genuinely shocked by this post. I have become a little less interested since we seem to have lost one very interesting contributor with a view not in line with the Guardian reading pinko crowd (I'm in that, btw) and I had hoped that he'd just found other things to do in his life. However, the comment about the a poster losing his status as a moderator is outrageous and makes me wonder whether in fact my right wing working class Tory has been silenced. I am assuming status loss claim is true Even in the short time I've been coming on this board I have formed the opinion that you are to be trusted.
I am also taking it that there is a typo in here and you were describing the thread as divisive. I had been lulled into believing that the general consensus on here was a function of the readership. However, you seem to be saying something considerably more sinister.
I was chatting to a mate of mine who used to post on Not 606 and has stopped doing so for very good personal reasons. He tells me that before the existence of this thread, political views popped up all over the place. The ability of posters to wander off focus is astonishing. The fitness advice being given to one member; the culinary delights being exchanged. And in many ways this is what makes the board interesting, and akin to a chat in the pub - something I know I miss like hell. During a 'virtual drink' last night with an old mate who is a lifetime Wolves fan we discussed the absurdity of the 'new' offside malarkey. My mate said that he didn't get this change and then used the confusion over that to rail against the tier system of Covid control, which developed into attacking the Government in general before we got back to serious matters concerning Ralph's future at SFC.
Until these last few posts I thought this thread was a great idea. However, if ideas are to be belittled and people silenced then I'm against it. Maybe we should accept a digression into a political comment while discussing the future of Danny Ings, for example, in the same way that we accept members offering food and drink advice. Whatever, seeing off any member who wants to be involved hardly seems Saintly.
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I've just always felt that politics should have been a no go on this board (which I'm sure was the case for years). It's incredibly divisive with people never willing to give anything up away from their beliefs, and can quickly turn nasty.
I also felt it would lead to spats which would stray from the thread which I feel has definitely happened. I'd wager that 90% of the issues that's appeared on the board in recent years have come from this thread, directly or indirectly.
In short, politics has the capability to turn perfectly rational and decent people into absolute ****ing loons.
I think it's not healthy for the board some posters use a football forum to mainly argue about politics. For what it's worth the busiest board on the entire site doesn't allow it.
Not really moaning btw, just saying my piece as the discussion is being had. You can't put the genie back in the bottle so to speak but it's a real shame imo.
I also felt it would lead to spats which would stray from the thread which I feel has definitely happened. I'd wager that 90% of the issues that's appeared on the board in recent years have come from this thread, directly or indirectly.
In short, politics has the capability to turn perfectly rational and decent people into absolute ****ing loons.
I think it's not healthy for the board some posters use a football forum to mainly argue about politics. For what it's worth the busiest board on the entire site doesn't allow it.
Not really moaning btw, just saying my piece as the discussion is being had. You can't put the genie back in the bottle so to speak but it's a real shame imo.
That reminds me of the old argument over Mary Whitehouse's Clean up TV campaign back in the 70's. Those who are at odds and upset over posts just don't take part. Archers and myself have had extensive disagreements over Corbyn but I don't think either of us fell out or indeed thought the other winding up over our discussions. Maybe Billy would feel more at home on the GC politics thread. The balance of left and right on there seems far more even.
A sad reflection on how far political debate in this country has sunk. I'm not criticizing you. Sadly I suspect your analysis is spot on. However, when civilised people are unable to disagree without becoming personal the world is the worse for it.
For the record, there wasn’t a poll about having a politics thread, so I’m not sure what Fats voted on. The mods had a discussion privately, and the consensus, after a lot of discussion, was that with the Brexit referendum on the horizon, it was better to have a separate thread to which politics could be confined, rather than have it keep cropping up on other threads. That has largely worked, and although we have had a few spats, no one to my knowledge has ended up being banned or silenced because of their political views. The incident which Fats referred to actually turned out OK in the end, and I’d prefer it if we didn’t bring it up again.
My view is that there is still a place for this thread, as long as everyone’s point of view is respected, and that personal insults are not resorted to. If I have been less than vigilant on clamping down on personal attacks, I apologise, and I will try and keep a lid in things in the future. I would remind everyone that all opinions are valid, and that no one is to feel excluded because they don’t agree with what appears to be a majority on any topic.
My view is that there is still a place for this thread, as long as everyone’s point of view is respected, and that personal insults are not resorted to. If I have been less than vigilant on clamping down on personal attacks, I apologise, and I will try and keep a lid in things in the future. I would remind everyone that all opinions are valid, and that no one is to feel excluded because they don’t agree with what appears to be a majority on any topic.
I've never had any interest in politics myself and felt that it's always had potential to become divisive and nasty. I agree with you that it's definitely got worse in recent years though.
I just think it's always destined to end that way when involving football fans. Who, in the main, are already quite tribalistic.