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Boris and May....Well I hope they keep their clothes on.
Eagle has postponed her expected announcement of formally challenging Corbyn, and may pull out entirely.
The PLP is a ****ed.
He has to be. Having an IQ roughly that of a PE teacher would be a worrying trait in an erstwhile leader.
Yes I know what you mean. I am just explaining that while this "house of cards" stuff might seem like all "cloaks and daggers" and nothing to do with me or you but the reality is that it has everything to do with me and you.
We both want our world to be a certain way and we vote for what we think will produce as much as possible (however little it may be) of what our own personal wishes are. We want things that are influenced by our families, our interests,our opinions. We don't just do what we want. We make compromises because we consider how what we want will affect our families, our friends, our communities.
The politician we vote for has to then make the same decision. (mine is a he so I will say he) He has to consider the people that will vote for him, bring investment to help the people who vote for him. Consider what they require in terms of jobs, lifestyle, communities. He has to make sure that he is working for businesses and communities to produce the best results for his communities.
He then has to assess how to get as much (however little it may be) of those wishes as he can and the best route to get them. Does he have the standing to get others to join him or should he support someone else that will give him some of what he wants. The people he supports are doing the same and up and up. The PM has to concede the most because he is having to conced to people who have conceded to others and so on right down the chain.
So my opinion is worthwhile and I have every much as large a stake in it as those at the top. Like voting, if you don't vote then you can't affect the vote. Similarly my little campaigns are based on what I believe is best for me conceding things I would like because of how they might affect those around me. I then campaign for someone I want as leader but at the same time campaign for my MP to support that person I want as leader. There are many more like me doing the same. Social media has made this so much easier than writing a letter. My MP can watch social media and assess the "mood." He will eventually throw his support behing someone that he thinks will give the most benefit to his constituents so he can keep his job.
So my little campaign might sound silly but thousands of little campaigns give the MP a way to gauge the best route though this maze.
The fact you see people up there saying they want to be PM is not the real story. This isn't about who gets the most votes now and then how those top 2 get the most supporters from those that are eliminated. Of the top 2 one may be there to stop the other main candidate running off with it and once they have a gauge of where things stand may drop out before or after the first round to bolster one of those in 3rd or 4th. Their supporters will mostly move the same way.
This is life, not just politics. Consessions to help those that depend on you to achieve the best result.
Businesses do not go around treating people like **** if they are sensible. If they do that then they lose the best people and struggle to get that calibre of people again. They assess how to achieve what they want whilst being able to keep their employees (and shareholders) happy. They make concessions.
Yes these politicians may seem ruthless and may seem to be all out for themselves but at the end of the day it is a hierarchy where the bottom holds the power because without the votes they do not get voted in and without those lower politicians supporting the higher politicians then they lose their power and someone else comes through. Boris just found that out.
There are only 89 MPs that have stated their support so far. There are many more to go and the 5 candidates will be talking to each other to try and persuade them to join with them as well as other MPs (whether already stated or not) to support them.
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A gross understatement.
I hate fundamentalists of all types. When I worked for a trade union, the insult that the "hard left" liked to throw at anyone with sense was that they were "pragmatists". Pragmatists face reality and work out how to get closer to where they want to be. Fundamentalists talk of "principle" and "mandates", while the people they are meant to represent get frustrated and their political opponents can roll around laughing.
And be clear, I speak as a non-reconstructed old Marxist. But one who recognises that you have to work with what and who you've got.
Government austerity policy a breach of international human rights, says UN report.
human rights, a new report by the UN has warned.
The UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights has expressed “serious concerns” about growing inequality in the UK following six years of austerity policies under the current Conservative Government and the Coalition which preceded it.
Based on evidence provided by charities and campaign groups, the body concluded that the regressive nature of policies such as universal credit and the “bedroom tax” meant they breached the UK’s international human rights obligations.
The study found the new “living wage” of £7.20 per hour still did not provide an adequate standard of living - especially for people living in London - and that the Government was not doing enough to stop people having to rely on foodbanks.
The Government should take steps to reduce the number of people in part time work and relying on “zero hours” contracts, it suggested.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-poor-food-banks-inequality-un-a7110066.html
Good day to bury this report......
human rights, a new report by the UN has warned.
The UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights has expressed “serious concerns” about growing inequality in the UK following six years of austerity policies under the current Conservative Government and the Coalition which preceded it.
Based on evidence provided by charities and campaign groups, the body concluded that the regressive nature of policies such as universal credit and the “bedroom tax” meant they breached the UK’s international human rights obligations.
The study found the new “living wage” of £7.20 per hour still did not provide an adequate standard of living - especially for people living in London - and that the Government was not doing enough to stop people having to rely on foodbanks.
The Government should take steps to reduce the number of people in part time work and relying on “zero hours” contracts, it suggested.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-poor-food-banks-inequality-un-a7110066.html
Good day to bury this report......
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New Zealand has offered its top trade negotiators to the United Kingdom, relieving the British civil service as it prepares for the strain of seeking new deals with countries across the globe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/
President Francois Hollande said on Wednesday that a border agreement between Franceand Britain would not be affected by last week's Brexit vote because the so-called Le Touquet accord was a bilateral agreement
"To question the Le Touquet accord because Britain is going to leave the EU has no sense," Hollande told a news briefing in Brussels at the end of European Council summit.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-hollande-immigration-idUKKCN0ZF1LA
"To question the Le Touquet accord because Britain is going to leave the EU has no sense," Hollande told a news briefing in Brussels at the end of European Council summit.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-hollande-immigration-idUKKCN0ZF1LA
The New Zealand news is good. While the new Prime Minister needs to address our relationship with the EU our relationship with the rest of the world is equally, if not more, important. If we could agree some free trade deals with the rest of the world relatively quickly then that puts us in a stronger position when we negotiate with the EU.
And one of the many reasons why the unemployment figures are "so low" as well as why "record employment levels" was the hiding place for anyone questioning that EU migrants are putting people out of work.
This morning, at the launch of the Chakrabarti Inquiry into antisemitism, I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a 'media conspiracy'. It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms Chakrabarti's report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing."
"People like this have no place in our party or our movement and must be opposed. Until today I had made no public comment about Jeremy’s ability to lead our party, but the fact that he failed to intervene is final proof for me that he is unfit to lead, and that a Labour Party under his stewardship cannot be a safe space for British Jews. I have written to the General Secretary of the Labour Party and the Chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party to formally complain about this morning’s events."
"No-one from the Leader’s office has contacted me since the event, which is itself a catastrophic failure of leadership. I call on Jeremy Corbyn to resign immediately and make way for someone with the backbone to confront racism and antisemitism in our party and in the country."
http://www.ruthsmeeth.org.uk/statement_on_the_launch_of_the_chakrabarti_report
Labour getting worse.
"People like this have no place in our party or our movement and must be opposed. Until today I had made no public comment about Jeremy’s ability to lead our party, but the fact that he failed to intervene is final proof for me that he is unfit to lead, and that a Labour Party under his stewardship cannot be a safe space for British Jews. I have written to the General Secretary of the Labour Party and the Chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party to formally complain about this morning’s events."
"No-one from the Leader’s office has contacted me since the event, which is itself a catastrophic failure of leadership. I call on Jeremy Corbyn to resign immediately and make way for someone with the backbone to confront racism and antisemitism in our party and in the country."
http://www.ruthsmeeth.org.uk/statement_on_the_launch_of_the_chakrabarti_report
Labour getting worse.
There won't be. It would be foolish to call a GE with UKIP still celebrating. Even the PLP know this but they have to "voice" their desire for one to try and make the Tories look scared by not calling one. None of them want a GE in the near future. None of them are ready for it or in a position to push UKIP back at the moment.
Luckily we voted in the party and not the PM so there isn't any need for an Election and I think most if not all of the Tory candidates have ruled it out. What we need now is for the Tories to get their leader sorted and for us to get on with the Brexit, not delay it even more with an Election. The sooner we sort out what is going on with the EU the better for the economy.
You won't. Trade agreements are hard and your politicians are scared wimps petrified of making a move lest because should they do so, the others will just tear them apart.
You've got CETA just about in the can. Would be good to move on that, but even then it would probably take a year. Everything else will take forever, if for no other reason than other countries know you are ****ed, and will therefore time is on their side in negotiations.
People apparently not enthusiastic about Carney's speech. Pound falling again. Has to hold that line at about 1.30 to USD or things could get quite bad.