Off Topic Politics Thread

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It's because she is a dumb politician, period. The Labour Party is moving forward, 'let's f××k it up, the last thing we need is a Labour Government'. Bright as a puddle of horse sh×t, go away or words that mean the same..
 
Whether you believe it is a anti-semitic or not, she was asked to take down her retweet, and as far as I can tell she did not have a good enough reason not to do that but she refused, so quick action followed. I think the Labour leader was right.
Labour were criticised for being too slow on these matters, now they have to be seen taking action. The media and momentum will make it out as ousting a foe or the left-wing, because it suits their purpose.
 
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SaintStu said:
Whether you believe it is a anti-semitic or not, she was asked to take down her retweet, and as far as I can tell she did not have a good enough reason not to do that but she refused, so quick action followed. I think the Labour leader was right.
Labour were criticised for being too slow on these matters, now they have to be seen taking action. The media and momentum will make it out as ousting a foe or the left-wing, because it suits their purpose.
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Why don’t the Momentum and far left wing members go off and form their own party? Because if the British public still have this fear of the Labour Party because of some of their member’s extremist views and the media, who’ll push this to the “floating voter”, then we’ll never get this absolute corrupt shower of utter ****es from power ..... :emoticon-0121-angry
 
davecg69 said:
Why don’t the Momentum and far left wing members go off and form their own party? Because if the British public still have this fear of the Labour Party because of some of their member’s extremist views and the media, who’ll push this to the “floating voter”, then we’ll never get this absolute corrupt shower of utter ****es from power ..... :emoticon-0121-angry
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As much as I want the "corrupt shower" out of government, I am really saddened that the UK now believes socialism is "extremist". No point in BLM, no point in any desire for social change, if we cling to the idea that capitalism is anything other than an enemy to the poor. All it takes is the odd lottery millionaire, the odd footballer from a poor family or the very rare zero-hero entrepreneur to trick everyone into thinking that things are alright really.

Sad times.
 
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To square the circle is a difficult thing to do and explain. Most people like the socialist ideas/policies, they just don't want to be the ones that pay for them.
I don't think Starmer is trying to squash socialism, he is just trying to do it in a slow manner, that will bring the populace with him. The millitant socialists who think ideologistically, think there policies speak for themselves, and think they will be welcomed by the populace, just on the strength of the idea. They just need to work intelligently with each other. There are some elements on both left and right of the political spectrum who try and attach their extremist views into the machinery of the parties to attract and grow larger.
It is ironic that the most socialistic policy has been brought in by this tory government to tackle the pandemic, but part of me think that a lot of the rebuilding of the country will be done by their mates on lucrative government contracts.
 
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The Labour Party needs to learn from the Conservative Party, that no matter the difference between left and right, you keep it in house.
When push comes to shove the Tories put on a united front and if Labour want to get back into power, they too need to look united.
They also need to be pushing, at every opportunity, that millions of people have survived the pandemic, financially, because of the way the Tories fell back on Socialist principles, as noted in a post above.
 
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SaintStu said:
Whether you believe it is a anti-semitic or not, she was asked to take down her retweet, and as far as I can tell she did not have a good enough reason not to do that but she refused, so quick action followed. I think the Labour leader was right.
Labour were criticised for being too slow on these matters, now they have to be seen taking action. The media and momentum will make it out as ousting a foe or the left-wing, because it suits their purpose.
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Stu

Picking up on your comments, RLB re-tweeted a comment by Maxine Peake which , as well as making a comment regarding an Amnesty International report concerning Israeli security forces training Police in Chicago and Minnesota. also chronicled a whole range of failings of Capitalism and the current UK government in particular. I do think that anyone using Twitter needs their head examined and think that anyone using this platform is a recipe for disaster but , having read Ms Peake's interview in the Independent and finding much within in it with which I agree, feel that RLB's sacking is a gross over-reaction. There is plenty within the Independent interview that most normal people would accept. Even Sir John Major has been saying today that the existent of food banks in the UK is totally unacceptable.

I think it gave Sir Kier Starmer the opportunity to look strong but also gave him the opportunity to remove the one sop to the Labour Left. This is the main underlying story. I feel it to be deeply disconcerting when criticism of the Israeli government is now being snuffled out and appears to be something that cannot be discussed. There is very little criticism of the Israeli government in the UK and successive governments have refused to deal with the issue whereas all angles appear to have been debated to deal with de-radicalisation of Islamic fundamentalists including more sensitive reporting by the press where any incident such as the recent stabbings in Reading are more accurately reported as mental health issues. We are beginning to deal with these matters much more sensitively regarding Islam yet the press repeatedly turns a blind eye to the behaviour of the Israeli state. There is a serious issue here of double standards and people like Maxine Peake have actually visited Palestine in order to make more informed comments. This is not a case of some "air head" actress talking about something about which she knows nothing. I would like to see the Jewish community in this country make some kind of comment about the behaviour of the Israeli government but other than the likes of Gilad Atzmon, any dissent either does not get reported or does not exist. Either wittingly or unwittingly, the Labour Party gives the impression of not wishing to deal with what is happening in Israel.

At the same time, I have today received an e-mail from the Labour Party stating that this is "Armed Forces Day." I find this slightly odd that Labour feel this is worthwhile celebrating more that the recent contributions of the NHS or other key workers. It just sends out a message that Starmer's Labour Party does not have it's priorities correct and perhaps does not quite understand the current mood of the country insofar that the people genuinely recognise the contribution to society of those people who have shown in the last three months who demonstrably matters the most.

I do not think that RLB is unique in being victimised. The likes of anti-racist campaigner Marc Wadsworth still remain expelled from the Labour Party and the sacking of RLB is just one of the latest moves against those within the party with genuine Socialist credentials. At the moment the Left is being punished but it will not always be like this and especially so if the people protesting with BLM who want genuine change are not satisfied.

I tend to agree that Momentum will make an issue of this and would further add that I feel that this organisation is less relevant than it was say in 2016. However, I strongly believe that Jeremy Corbyn was a catalyst for making people believe that a Socialist government would make some serious improvements to this country. In many respects, the policy of the Govt since Covid-19 has vindicated Corbyn and history will prove Corbyn to have been right - is marginally ahead of the rest of the country in recognising the mood swing with such issues as Black Lives Matter. For me, the sacking of RLB is a tragedy but I think she will have her day. I had voted for her to be the new leader whilst understanding why people were unsatisfied with the previous election campaign.

A lot of the press articles I have been reading on line are expressing reservations that the Right within the Labour Party are gaining in confidence but they need to be careful because the majority of people who have become members did so purely on the vision offered by the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott . These people are visionaries and they have not yet gone away. There are still the likes of Richard Burgon in the Party and we must keep our fingers crossed that they eventually win the day.
 
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Dear Mr Johnson,

Ref: Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government

I understand the above position will shortly be vacant and that you will be seeking to appoint someone who will fit in well with your team and reflect your values and standards.

I am putting myself forward for this position as I think I would be admirably suited as you can see from my strengths which I have outlined below.

· I can lie while looking people straight in the eye;
· I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:
· I can big up failure as a great success;
· I make promises I have no intention of ever keeping;
· I am not very bright;
· I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:
· People dislike me and I have no friends where I live;
· I am not trusted by anyone;
· I don’t give a **** about anyone except my rich mates;
· I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:
· I cannot speak the Queen’s English and always leave the ing of the end of words;
· I can waffle on without saying anything meaningful;
· I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:
· I am always looking for a fast buck for which I will do anything even if it is crooked;
· I am a narrow minded little Englander;
· I hate the Frogs and Krauts and all other Europeans;
· I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:
· I know **** all about IT or managing big projects;
· I can waste money like the best of our politicians;
· I support privatising the NHS by selling it to Trump;
· I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:
· I don’t believe the law should get in the way of our political objectives;
· You, Farage and Adam Walker are my top political heroes.
· Don’t forget I am I am very good at remembering and repeating slogans:

I could tell you a great deal more and my many other virtues but I shall leave that for my interview.

Yours in adulation,

Godders
 
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