Off Topic Politics Thread

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All this talk regarding the Tories nationalising some parts of the railway is confusing. When the Labour Party said they were going to nationalise it you were all for it. Now the Tories have started to nationalise the failing franchises you are criticising them. What on earth would you expect them to do? Surely you would criticise them if they took no action? I know they poo poohed the Labour Party for wanting to nationalise the whole system. To my knowledge they don’t intend going back on what they said. I just don’t see what they could do other than what they have! I think if they nationalise the southern it would be for the best. No one else has tried to do away with the guards that to me doesn’t make sense not having guards! But hey what do I know.
I think you're mistaking criticism for irony. Personally, I'm glad that those railways look like they'll be nationalised. It's just a bit of a joke that it turns out to be the privatisation Tories that end up doing it. Privatisation of the railways tends to be recipe for disaster. You only have to look at the fares and compare them to Europe to realise that: https://www.vouchercloud.com/resources/train-prices-across-europe

Train Prices Across Europe - The Results
The UK has reclaimed its rightful spot at the top of the 'ridiculously expensive train prices' pile, charging 55p per mile for railway passengers.

The only country that previously had more expensive trains than the UK is Norway - but after a price drop this year, they are now a slightly more modest 46p per mile.

... these two countries are a world ahead, however.

The UK charges twice as much as the next closest country, as Austria and Sweden have prices set at 27p per mile.

Compare this to Eastern Europe - a whopping 18 countries in Europe have prices set below 10p per mile, including Poland, Slovakia and Serbia. Remarkably, prices in Belarus sit at a ridiculous 1p per mile.

In fact, the average across the whole of Europe sits at a lowly 14p per mile, less than one third of the UK figure - despite it being equivalent in size to many countries included in the analysis.

Looking at the numbers in each country's respective native currency, more prices actually dropped year on year than increased - 16 countries saw a price reduction, 13 countries saw a price increase, and 9 remained the same.

The average price shift across Europe? Down. Despite the UK having the most expensive train prices across the whole of Europe, they still increased by 3.1% on average (2.9% on the specific London > Oxford route included in the study). Across Europe, prices were down 1.74% on average.
 
With Keir Starmer apparently way out ahead with Labour members ( 71% was mentioned ) perhaps it should become official party policy to rejoin the EU. It would attract a good proportion of the LD vote and a smattering of Tory Remainers too.
LOL even Labour aren't that stupid, over 400 constituencies voted leave and they aren't going to change their minds, would lead to an even bigger majority next election.
 
LOL even Labour aren't that stupid, over 400 constituencies voted leave and they aren't going to change their minds, would lead to an even bigger majority next election.
They may not be changing their minds at the moment. But let's just get things under way. We will see the outcome of the trade negotiations with Britain getting told " Thanks but no thanks " by country after country who prefer to trade with the EU than with a jingoistic little tinpot island. It will soon be difficult to find people who admitted to being Leave voters and they are not going to take kindly to queuing up at customs in the line with people with water melon smiles and those who look like letter boxes. I think that then a referendum on rejoining might be quite popular. Speaking of which, where has the report on outside interference in elections got to?
 
A song for today .....

Sorry guys, I had no idea it was racist.

It's gone.
 
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I think you're mistaking criticism for irony. Personally, I'm glad that those railways look like they'll be nationalised. It's just a bit of a joke that it turns out to be the privatisation Tories that end up doing it. Privatisation of the railways tends to be recipe for disaster. You only have to look at the fares and compare them to Europe to realise that: https://www.vouchercloud.com/resources/train-prices-across-europe

Train Prices Across Europe - The Results
The UK has reclaimed its rightful spot at the top of the 'ridiculously expensive train prices' pile, charging 55p per mile for railway passengers.

The only country that previously had more expensive trains than the UK is Norway - but after a price drop this year, they are now a slightly more modest 46p per mile.

... these two countries are a world ahead, however.

The UK charges twice as much as the next closest country, as Austria and Sweden have prices set at 27p per mile.

Compare this to Eastern Europe - a whopping 18 countries in Europe have prices set below 10p per mile, including Poland, Slovakia and Serbia. Remarkably, prices in Belarus sit at a ridiculous 1p per mile.

In fact, the average across the whole of Europe sits at a lowly 14p per mile, less than one third of the UK figure - despite it being equivalent in size to many countries included in the analysis.

Looking at the numbers in each country's respective native currency, more prices actually dropped year on year than increased - 16 countries saw a price reduction, 13 countries saw a price increase, and 9 remained the same.

The average price shift across Europe? Down. Despite the UK having the most expensive train prices across the whole of Europe, they still increased by 3.1% on average (2.9% on the specific London > Oxford route included in the study). Across Europe, prices were down 1.74% on average.
I'm looking at our options for our trips over the next few months from The Hague https://www.nsinternational.nl/en some excellent deals.
 
I'm looking at our options for our trips over the next few months from The Hague https://www.nsinternational.nl/en some excellent deals.
My buddy in the NL who lives in Woerden near Utrecht, giggles inanely when I mention the rail ticket prices here. He's somewhat of a railway fan. And in NL he can afford to be. He gasped at the everyday train fares when he was faced with them over here and hired a car instead. Thankfully, he's somewhat of an EV fan aswell, so he got a Renault Zoe. Nice basic car with a good range.
 
My buddy in the NL who lives in Woerden near Utrecht, giggles inanely when I mention the rail ticket prices here. He's somewhat of a railway fan. And in NL he can afford to be. He gasped at the everyday train fares when he was faced with them over here and hired a car instead. Thankfully, he's somewhat of an EV fan aswell, so he got a Renault Zoe. Nice basic car with a good range.
We're pretty central in the Hague, no car two bikes each one folding which is free on the train ideal for our awaydays. This is also an option, electric scooter pool great idea. https://felyx.com/nl/en/thehague
 
How is that racist? I may be missing something but I've looked through the lyrics and can't see anything that might be construed that way.

The song itself isn't overtly racist. Unfortunately it turns out that Morrisey is. It's unfortunate he turned out to be such a piece of **** because he has ruined a brilliant band for me forever. I used to love The Smiths, but I can't really listen to them anymore.
 
People have said we should celebrate like VE day when all I feel is that this is more like Dunkirk. Beaten and broke with a frightenedly uncertain future.

I cannot bring myself to accept Brexit and to forgive the selfish, racist bastards who voted for it.

I will despise them forever. The bastards.
How long did it take you to ask 17 million people why they voted leave.You didn’t ask me. Perhaps they voted for leave because too many self opinionated middle class liberals kept running them down and treating them all like they couldn’t think for themselves. Perhaps if the Remainers had put forward sensible reasons to remain, instead of Project fear and insults, they might have got the result they wanted. There were hundreds of reasons for people to vote Leave and Remain, so one size insult doesn’t fit. Cue vitriolic abuse and death threats.