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  1. Beddytare

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    Hmm.......... trouble is I have so little faith in parliament at the moment. All political parties seem only to be interested in themselves. My understanding is they have all got copies of the agreement with the EU. Surely they are for it or against it.........have the vote then an election lets get it done and dusted!!
     
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    I agree with you that they all have copies, but the thing is over 500 pages long and has had no economic figures checked by the experts. They may agree in principle to it, but you need longer than overnight to go over that. The document was given to MPs on Friday night, to debate on Saturday.
     
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    Really my understanding was they had copies as soon as it was agreed with the EU. The media seemed to be informed and were discussing it prior to Saturday and Carney and other top bankers had/has given presumably informed agreement as being good for the country.
     
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    The "deal" needs line by line scrutiny and amendments to prevent a no deal exit, possibly take the UK into a custom union to avoid the Irish sea border and make any leave bill passed by parliament subject to a referendum. That would be democracy in action. The fraudulent referendum of 2016 has no relevance to today's reality.
     
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    I was watching the debate on Saturday from Parliament and two or three MPs were complaining about the fact they didn't get the 500+ page doc until the night before. I think they knew the basic overview, but not the small print.

    Let's face it, would you trust Boris & co not to slip in something in small print? Also, there has been no economic outlook scrutiny over it from economists...just the standard Bexiteers "We feel it will be good for the country" and "we'll be ok"....
     
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    Strewth You Cant say Carney and other top bankers haven't scrutinised it judging by the comments........

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    Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Brexit deal is "acceptable" and the country should push ahead with it, leading banker Sir Ian Cheshire has said.

    Sir Ian, chairman of Barclays' UK operations, told the BBC that business leaders wanted to see certainty.

    He added that it was "extremely unlikely" further negotiations with the EU would produce a different outcome.

    However, some UK business groups were more sceptical, with one calling it "a step backwards for frictionless trade".
     
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    https://www.gov.uk/government/people/ian-cheshire
    "In April 2015, Sir Ian Cheshire was appointed to the role of Government Lead Non-Executive. He was appointed for a further three years in April 2018. In August 2018, Sir Ian was also appointed the lead Non-Executive Member of the Cabinet Office Board"

    At the heart of government
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

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    Best tweet about Saturday I’ve seen:
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    Did I really read, in that thread, that the house will be debating “stopping people from the EU, EEA and Turkey” from having self employed status in this country?
    Did I imagine that?
     
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    Totally agree, but he can, and probably will, inflict as much damage on the working class/country in as short a time as he can.
    He is the scum of the earth, likewise Mogg and Gove, the unholy trinity.
     
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    The one I read was only 60ish pages long and most of that was annex's referring to various EU law we had implement. I'll see of I can find a copy of this 500 page one.
     
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    Not sure, I didn’t spot that!
     
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    The problem previously had been there have been 3 sided. Remainers, those who wanted May's deal and those who wanted a harder brexit. The majority didn't want any single option.

    Boris Johnson and the ERG have apparently switched sides after failing to get any movement out of the EU and now support May's deal which should give the deal a majority but some deal supports are worried about Johnson trying to no deal through the back door, thus they passed this legislation making it impossible for boris to create a no deal.
     
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    Chuck a dose of short Cummings in the mix.
     
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    To be honest Beddy, I thought that these comments were referring to whether the deal as written is better than crashing out with no deal. I still believe that this deal, like May's version of it before, puts the UK in a worse position in every way than remaining in the EU.
     
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    That is our trouble there is such conflicting reports from both sides............
     
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    Keir Starmer, one of the few people to have studied the agreement in detail, is convinced it’s far from being good for the country. I’m more inclined to trust him than Boris Johnson.

    I don’t think Mark Carney has endorsed the deal; he said (certainly before he had time to have read it) that a deal, any deal, is infinitely better for the economy than no deal.
     
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    This post on Facebook shows the claims of intimidation on Saturday by Rees-Mogg and Leadsom were completely false:
     
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    If it’s in The Mail or The Sun, it’s almost certainly untrue. If Boris says it, it’s probably an outright deliberate lie. Stick to that rule of thumb and you won’t go far wrong
     
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    There's really not. You have to look really hard to find anybody in a informed position who will say brexit will be a positive economically.

    Even those who are pro brexit usually only say we will survive it.
     
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