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SaintinSerbia said:
I've actually forgotten what May's deal was
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May's deal was to align NI customs with the EU with a view to reducing custom checks with technology and having goods checked between Ireland and britain until we find a better way of doing it.

Boris's deal is to align NI customs with the EU with a view to reducing custom checks with technology and having goods checked between Ireland and britain and stay that way until either the DUP or Sinn fein veto it and decide to force everyone to use hard borders(unsurprisingly it came out yesterday that last point is a sticking point)
Edit: edit actually I think I'm wrong on this last point it looks like the EU negotiated a requirement for it to be a majority vote and not be done by veto and DUP are unhappy they wont get a veto now.
 
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How ironic that at the eleventh hour he DUP are screwing spaffer up - the same DUP that may couldn`t wait to get shamefully into bed with, like a dockside hooker.
 
It's inflation. Thirty pieces of silver no longer enough to sell out their country folk.
 
VocalMinority said:
May's deal was to align NI customs with the EU with a view to reducing custom checks with technology and having goods checked between Ireland and britain until we find a better way of doing it.

Boris's deal is to align NI customs with the EU with a view to reducing custom checks with technology and having goods checked between Ireland and britain and stay that way until either the DUP or Sinn fein veto it and decide to force everyone to use hard borders(unsurprisingly it came out yesterday that last point is a sticking point)
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Not quite. May’s deal was to keep NI in the Customs Union until we can think of a better way of doing things. This was the Backstop, which Brexiters hated because they know there isn’t ever going to be a better way of doing things.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
Not quite. May’s deal was to keep NI in the Customs Union until we can think of a better way of doing things. This was the Backstop, which Brexiters hated because they know there isn’t ever going to be a better way of doing things.
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It's the same thing in reality. Ireland would still be under EU rules and have to follow them either way. It's just propaganda
 
Jolyon Maugham QC (he who brought the successful prorogation case) will lodge a petition in the Scottish Court of Session this morning, claiming that any Withdrawal Agreement which places a Customs border in the Irish Sea contravenes Section 55 of the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Act 2018. Section 55 is an amendment placed by the ERG, so Rees-Mogg would be party to breaking a law he himself helped to make just over a year ago.

If successful the petition would mean that Johnson wouldn’t be able to put the new deal before Parliament.


https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/boris-johnson-brexit-proposals-1-6326981
 
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Where do Human Rights fit into any of this?
If a deal was agreed giving free movement between Ireland and Northern Ireland, is that not discrimination against those of us in the British Isles who will be denied direct freedom of movement with other EU countries?
Would those flying to Dublin, from Southampton, be treated differently to those driving across the island’s border from the north?
 
St Badger said:
Where do Human Rights fit into any of this?
If a deal was agreed giving free movement between Ireland and Northern Ireland, is that not discrimination against those of us in the British Isles who will be denied direct freedom of movement with other EU countries?
Would those flying to Dublin, from Southampton, be treated differently to those driving across the island’s border from the north?
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Good question, I've seen the queues at various airports for non EU clearance. I don't see that as one of the elusive benefits of leaving the EU.

The more the detailed questions emerge, the more it seems to me that any deal would end up with the UK having to abide by the rules and obligations of the EU, possibly including freedom of movement, without any of the influence we currently enjoy.
 
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St Badger said:
Where do Human Rights fit into any of this?
If a deal was agreed giving free movement between Ireland and Northern Ireland, is that not discrimination against those of us in the British Isles who will be denied direct freedom of movement with other EU countries?
Would those flying to Dublin, from Southampton, be treated differently to those driving across the island’s border from the north?
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It’s a very good question. Hopefully this shambles of a deal won’t ever see the light of day, otherwise I’m sure that point would soon be tested in court.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
It’s a very good question. Hopefully this shambles of a deal won’t ever see the light of day, otherwise I’m sure that point would soon be tested in court.
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Could we be seeing the beginning of the end for brexit? The new referendum movement appears to be gathering strength.
 
StJabbo1 said:
Could we be seeing the beginning of the end for brexit? The new referendum movement appears to be gathering strength.
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I can see a situation where the price of getting the deal through Parliament is a referendum, but an extension would obviously be needed as well. Johnson wouldn’t have any compulsion to ask for one in that scenario, though. It’s very possible that the deal gets through, but because there isn’t time to get all the necessary legislation done in time, we would arrive in the last week of October facing a no deal Crash Brexit by default. In that situation, a No Confidence vote followed by an interim government revoking Article 50 might just be the only option.
 
Pfeffel trying to strong arm Arlene. I know who my money is on there. Trying to throw the DUP under the bus. Trouble is they are the bus.
 
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