Off Topic Politics Thread

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

There are none so blind as cannot see. The people who voted leave fell hook line and sinker for the UKIP/Johnson lies, distortions and misinformation. They will lose face by admitting they were so stupid as to believe the nonsense hence their entrenched attitude. Johnson and Cummings keep fuelling the fire and when Cummings says there may be riots he is not warning us he is actually sending a message to the idiotic wing of his supporters to get on the street and riot. He should be arrested for incitement.

 

[fatletiss]

Time to stockpile, include HP sauce, it's made in the Netherlands.

I remember going to the old HP factory in Aston, Brum. Sad that such an iconic brand is not made here.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

There was always a rule in my family............"You don't borrow money from friends, you don't talk about religion, and lastly you don't talk about politics". How difficult it is on at least one of those three over the last 3 years namely talking about politics. The way parliament is acting at the moment is it any surprise that the country is in turmoil. You have Boris trying to lead but doesn't have the personality, You have Corbyn who wants to lead but doesn't have a clue. Then you have a mixture between the other parties who just want votes and will change their minds along with the swing of the people. God help us all.........

Parliament is acting responsibly. The opposition parties have been meeting and will take control of Commons business once again next week, to avert a no deal Brexit disaster. Once this is guaranteed, we will have an election, where anyone who votes Tory will only have themselves to blame if things go down the pan. All of this is their fault, and trying to blame Corbyn or any of the other parties is completely wrong.

 

[Farked19]

It is imperative that those of us who wish to defeat Boris take the trouble to find which party is in second place in Tory seats and to vote that way regardless of our previous convictions. If it's a non Tory constituency then vote for the incumbent.

 

[The Ides of March]

There are none so blind as cannot see. The people who voted leave fell hook line and sinker for the UKIP/Johnson lies, distortions and misinformation. They will lose face by admitting they were so stupid as to believe the nonsense hence their entrenched attitude. Johnson and Cummings keep fuelling the fire and when Cummings says there may be riots he is not warning us he is actually sending a message to the idiotic wing of his supporters to get on the street and riot. He should be arrested for incitement.

To add to your comment it is unbelievable that many leave voters in the North and Midlands, the sons and daughters of generations of people who worked in the mines, steel, shipbuilding and engineering industries and no doubt Labour to the core, would be horrified that their offspring voted and support a policy generated by the far-right infiltrators within the ranks of the AfUK "Conservative Party."

 

[Farked19]

It's quite complex. My grandfather was a communist, my father a socialist and I am moving from Lab to Lib Dem. many of those voters don't necessarily view themselves as working class. I do however think that few will move from Labour to Tory. Many may move to Farage though.

 

[The Ides of March]

It's quite complex. My grandfather was a communist, my father a socialist and I am moving from Lab to Lib Dem. many of those voters don't necessarily view themselves as working class. I do however think that few will move from Labour to Tory. Many may move to Farage though.

Hope your offspring, nephews and nieces are reverting to their true roots. Lib Dem is fine. Pity they sold their soul to the devil in the wake of the 2010 election. The wrong party was on the end of the bashing in the 2015 election.

 

[Beddy]

Parliament is acting responsibly. The opposition parties have been meeting and will take control of Commons business once again next week, to avert a no deal Brexit disaster. Once this is guaranteed, we will have an election, where anyone who votes Tory will only have themselves to blame if things go down the pan. All of this is their fault, and trying to blame Corbyn or any of the other parties is completely wrong.

You really think they are acting responsibly?? You really think they are taking their responsibilities serious?? You agree with what is going on...........?? Just because you didn't like the way the referendum went..........Then there is no hope left then.......Im not talking about just the tories who are bad enough but labour can't make up their minds. The only ones that have honestly come out is the Libs and strangely Farage. Although I think he is nearer to being a communist than any......but there you are.

 

[The Ides of March]

It's quite complex. My grandfather was a communist, my father a socialist and I am moving from Lab to Lib Dem. many of those voters don't necessarily view themselves as working class. I do however think that few will move from Labour to Tory. Many may move to Farage though.

What is it the right-wing demagogues from Hitler to Mussolini, to Farage and Le Pen and the Vox guy in Spain. What is it that attracts working-class people to their cause? It must be one simple message that is so effective, repeated so constantly and reasonates with their thinking. Tony Blair did not do enough of this in his time at No 10, otherwise New Labour might still be in office. Not the right wing message, but a message that impacts on the thinking of the wider populace.

 

[The Ides of March]

You really think they are acting responsibly?? You really think they are taking their responsibilities serious?? You agree with what is going on...........?? Just because you didn't like the way the referendum went..........Then there is no hope left then.......Im not talking about just the tories who are bad enough but labour can't make up their minds. The only ones that have honestly come out is the Libs and strangely Farage. Although I think he is nearer to being a communist than any......but there you are.

Put that on his FB page.

As many have said the further left you go, the more to the right you become. Both are totalitarian in their values, thinking and behaviour - certainly when enacted by certain regimes in Spain, Italy, North Korea and the USSR.

PS: Someone is going to tear me apart on this. RJ, Archers, Chilcs, VM.

 

[Beddy]

Put that on his FB page.

As many have said the further left you go, the more to the right you become. Both are totalitarian in their values, thinking and behaviour - certainly when enacted by certain regimes in Spain, Italy, North Korea and the USSR.

PS: Someone is going to tear me apart on this. RJ, Archers, Chilcs, VM.

yea probably....then you'll know how it feels........

 

[The Ides of March]

What is needed is education, education, education, health, health, health. Education, health and transport.

An education system that is informs, develops individual thinking and creativity, a health system where everyone is important, an integrated transport system that is world class, a diverse working population with a huge range of skills and talents. Over to you JC.

 

[Archers Road]

I remember going to the old HP factory in Aston, Brum. Sad that such an iconic brand is not made here.

Not much is made here these days mate. I remember our Geography teacher, when I was st school in the 70s, telling us to have a look at all the cutlery in the canteen at lunchtime, and tell him afterwards what was stamped on every knife and fork; the words “Sheffield - England” was the answer. Then came Margaret Thatcher...

As a footnote, great to see Triumph and Norton motorcycles back in business

 

[TheSecondStain]

One American news channel referred to the US President the other day as Buffoon Trump. So that simplfies things. I've already been referring to our joke of a PM as Buffoon, so henceforth he's Buffoon 1 and the other one is Buffoon 2. Here's Pindex's take on how the Buffoons rode a wave crest to power and how that is ebbing away:

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[Schrodinger's Cat]

Put that on his FB page.

As many have said the further left you go, the more to the right you become. Both are totalitarian in their values, thinking and behaviour - certainly when enacted by certain regimes in Spain, Italy, North Korea and the USSR.

PS: Someone is going to tear me apart on this. RJ, Archers, Chilcs, VM.

Not me Ides, I agree that polar opposites seem to have more in common than they do with middle of the road politics. Far right and far left both agree on the need for state control of infrastructure, both use the media to keep the population "informed" and both use scapegoats to bond the rest of the population.
Just don't confuse far right fascism with Liberal capitalism as fascist ideology is much closer to Marxism than it ever would be to current tory and to some extent Liberal democrat policy.
Capitalism uses fascist leaning activist as a blunt weapon, but they don't share the same beliefs.
I don't think I've attacked you on this forum though Ides, I just often disagree with what you believe which is part of any debate. You carry on doing your thing, and I'll probably carry on opposing a lot of what you say...we're very different politically and that probably won't change much.
Just don't mention Chuka though

 

[TheSecondStain]

Not much is made here these days mate. I remember our Geography teacher, when I was st school in the 70s, telling us to have a look at all the cutlery in the canteen at lunchtime, and tell him afterwards what was stamped on it; the words “Sheffield - England” was the answer. Then came Margaret Thatcher...

As a footnote, great to see Triumph and Norton motorcycles back in business

Both companies started coming back in the 1980s. They've been back way longer than they were away. The Triumph brand was bought by John Bloor as it folded. He masterminded an excellent revival, and they haven't sat on their success, which is what killed the original company. Today they are one of the top 10 biggest selling motorcycle companies in the world. [7th so far in 2019]
Norton came back just as quickly, but specilised in racing the rotary engine bike, with a lot of success. And although their rise is nothing like as meteroric, they're doing pretty well too. Both companies have invested and innovated, which is what the original companies failed to do.

 

[Beddy]

Both companies started coming back in the 1980s. They've been back way longer than they were away. The Triumph brand was bought by John Bloor as it folded. He masterminded an excellent revival, and they haven't sat on their success, which is what killed the original company. Today they are one of the top 10 biggest selling motorcycle companies in the world. [7th so far in 2019]
Norton came back just as quickly, but specilised in racing the rotary engine bike, with a lot of success. And although their rise is nothing like as meteroric, they're doing pretty well too. Both companies have invested and innovated, which is what the original companies failed to do.

I'm not sure why but I thought the triumph was being made in India now.......didn't realise we were making it here again..........

 

[TheSecondStain]

I'm not sure why but I thought the triumph was being made in India now.......didn't realise we were making it here again..........

They have bikes made for them in India by a company called Bajaj. Triumph make bikes in Hinkley, UK and Thailand. Several factories out there since 2001.

 

[TheSecondStain]

You really think they are acting responsibly?? You really think they are taking their responsibilities serious?? You agree with what is going on...........?? Just because you didn't like the way the referendum went..........Then there is no hope left then.......Im not talking about just the tories who are bad enough but labour can't make up their minds. The only ones that have honestly come out is the Libs and strangely Farage. Although I think he is nearer to being a communist than any......but there you are.

Farage is a Fascist, pure and simple.

 

[Beddy]

They have bikes made for them in India by a company called Bajaj. Triumph make bikes in Hinkley, UK and Thailand. Several factories out there.

Thanks for that........always wanted a dolomite but couldn't afford it as a youngster.........Didn't know they had started building back here or in Thailand