Politics Thread - Europe Out or In..

We will undoubtedly end up with just that - someone has to win and someone has to lose. But it will die down in time whatever happens. We wont get a referendum like this every year.

There are already divisions within the Cabinet and there will be divisions within households and workplaces.

Whichever way the vote goes, we all have to live with it irrespective of whether we agree with the result or not.

All we do is all vote using the information we're given and what feels right to us as individuals.

 

Absolutely and that is why debate is vital. All I am saying is that debate should be informed and civilised. 1.9 million EU born workers are employed in the UK . 2 million UK born workers are employed in the EU. Those are the EU economic migration facts. To me there is a balance. I also believe that most of EU workers do the jobs we don't want to do i.e. the lower paid jobs

 

Another issue i have with a lot of today's youth they have no respect for the elders,work colleagues,their country.
I have employed many youngsters on apprenticeships and to be quite frank they think they know every thing before they have started,attitudes stink and quite honestly for every one good guy i have had ten bad guys.
Imagine that on a bigger scale pretty scarey.
And they wonder why there is a skills shortage in the uk.

 

If we leave we will

A) have to abide by EU rules includimg those on immigration, yet have no say in it.

B) have to pay very strong tarifs to import/export with the EU

 

Some interesting facts
Military strength (excluding Nuclear)

Tanks…UK ranking 42nd 407 units ……Russia 1st………..15398
Aircraft … UK ranking 12th… 879 units….Russia……3547
Naval Power. UK ranking 31st …..76 units …….Russia 352

Overall we are ranked 5th most powerful nation . 3 of the top 10 are EU countries. 10th are Turkey... Strength in numbers ???

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

 

No it is true, look at Norway they are option A. The other option is even worse

 

bear in mind these speakers only talk to those that are in favour of the individual for or against...save the odd heckler who is probably 0.001% of the audience

During the second world war millions were homeless, a f*************** good job they didn't run for their lives they stood and fought for their country and belief, 1939 - 1945 the eyeties as they were called had spines of well cooked spaghetti, similar to the male population of some of the countries jumping on the euro bandwagon .. that is my reserved op-inion, if there is ever another war I want to be on the opposite to you and hope you are a general . A lot of your stuff is ill researched and knee jerk searching foe a reaction ....

it is in the interest of all countries to share information so don't worry to much on that respect

I am only up to page 3 of replies so apologies if some comments are a bit behind or repeating what others say!

 

You will also note that several of the older generation are totally intolerant of others views and often use dismissive and personal insults to justify their argument.
This "I am always right" attitude also raises its ugly head in threads about local Football rivalry (no hatred) and we wonder why we breed idiots who deface the Memorial gates.
Wiz,
We've been outed !

MTG - 'If we leave we will
A) have to abide by EU rules includimg those on immigration, yet have no say in it'.

Who says we go the Norway route, granted it's an option but not one we will sign up to.
Uncontrolled immigration is a massive factor for a majority in England, something our lord and masters have yet to appreciate.

 

both have places in the modern world

spot on

the future is not about knowing it is about the action you take to get you there usually based on your past mistakes or successes

me to, my own destiny

... ... ... a pair of kiwi fruit and a banana ,< < <highlight it

 

Wiz,
FFS close this thread, otherwise we've got another 4 months of this.

Anyone realise we're playing Brighton tonight.

 

To be quite frank this is the biggest decision this country has to make and will not only affect us, but future generations to come.
I hope every single person can see through the speel and make the right choice for the sake of us all.

 

... ... ... a pair of kiwi fruit and a banana ,< < <highlight it

is my banana the right size and shape.

is my pear the right colour.

 

RP - for you a City related question
If we vote to leave will Kodjia need a work permit to play here??

 

'If we vote to leave will Kodjia need a work permit to play here??'

Not a clue.
Do I care about 75% of the players in the Prem being foreign ?
Yes.

You ?

 

I don't give a fig that most players in the Prem are foreign. I also don't give a toss about the Premiership per se.

Too many average and instantly forgettable players have played in the EPL ever since it started to the detriment of our national team. There are lots of exceptions but not the majority.

 

From handy andy ...
1) The problem with the older generation is that they becomes stuck in their ways and hanker back to the "good old days" whereas youngsters are more alive to the current viewpoints

2)Sometimes I despair, although that despair is accompanied with hope in that the younger generation by and large see the bigger picture and are the future

3)Unfortunately it is history which has caused most the problems in the world but it is the youngsters who have got to live with them (and sort them out) if they can.

1) I can go back 4 generations ... each generation has been getting better .. been through coupons, missing a meal a week to make ends meet and now look at the present as a point in time where the peak has become the decline ... the youngsters are forming the basis of the worlds problems, the smamzie age.
instead of doing it is " someone else do it I am on twatter or faceache" instead of working to put things right it is quick lets f*** o** and find an easier niche .. the youngsters view points in the main is sod it!
2) your despair should be around the younger generation seeing the bigger picture and mostly doing there utmost to avoid it. The future with these is BLEAK ...
3) HISTORY CAUSED ALL THE PROBLEMS ... an extremely accurate and probably only comment you can say you got right . a problem today is history tomorrow ...
at the moment the younger generations in problematic areas are causing massive problems in previously unproblematic areas .. this country has been built and reached the present day status as a "super power" by the old farts you love to deride most of whom pulled their weight and in the same direction for the common good ... unfortunately in handing over the reigns we have not got the quality of driver needed to carry us forward which for the past 3000 years has been the case .... easy come easy go im alright jack the modern day attitude ... I worry sincerely for the generations ..all hard working I will leave behind ......