Politics Thread - Europe Out or In..

In economic terms the forecast is that in 10 years the Premier league will be a top 5 way out in front of everyone else viz China, Japan , India Brazil and the US. The UK will be a top Championship club along with about 10 others. Ironically the collective EU economy will be bigger than the collective top 5. The bad thing for the Boris lovers is that if we vote to stay in his career is finished,

 

AS A PERCENTAGE VERY LOW % OF CAR PARTS BUILT /MADE IN EUROPE
example simple thing like a HILTI DRILL .. majority parts = china or far east .. this is of course true of most drills also look at source of somethings like asparagus product of china! most veggies are from Africa as is a lot of fruit now, ( also s. America! )

 

I know you don't necessarily mean in a literal sense, but we've built on less than 7% of our land...

I also seriously hope you don't mean close our borders entirely to everybody?

 

That's as maybe, but the towns and cities we have created are overcrowded with congested roads and few people of working age ant to live in mid Wales or the Highlands of Scotland and have to spend 5 hours a day commuting. It

We should be VERY selective as to who we take in future and hopefully we will be. It seems that the vast majority of UK residents do not want much more immigration anyway which is encouraging.

So it's an absolute no from me to uncontrolled immigration. And an absolute no to taking any of the thousands waiting for any chance to sneak into the UK from Calais.

If we allow certain skills into the country such as medicine then if they are adding value then fine.

What we don't want is those with an axe to grind against Western society coming in, that we then spend millions on trying to get rid of again.

Stop the problem before it starts.

 

'we've built on less than 7% of our land...'

Commuting 10 miles by road to Bath or Bristol for a 9am start is hell on Earth.
Our roads only need a minor shunt to cause chaos and it's getting worse by the day.
Our infrastructure can't cope and will only get worse with Hull moving here every year.

Angelic,
What really annoys the f*ck out of me is the 'do gooders' feeding/clothing the rabble in Calais.
They're just encouraging more of them to come, migrants are now trying with other ports now.
I have a few mates who drive Lorries regularly through Calais, it's dangerous and chaotic.
These migrants have absolutely no right to come here or cause bedlam.

'So it's an absolute no from me to uncontrolled immigration'.
Nor me, remaining in the EU means uncontrolled immigration.
'Special Status' what a fu**ing joke.

 

the last few TV progs on CALAIS AND AREA is if you had a loaf of bread for every female and child you would starve within a month1 if you had a fiver for every male you would not need to work for 5 years ... translate that to those coming int o Italy and Greece and you would last for a yaer on the bread if it didn't go mouldy! and be so rich you could build new stadiums for most of the first divisions and still not work for 10 years and go on holiday for 6 months of the year to some where quiet Somalia Ethiopia Iraq Syria Afganistan etc

 

A friend that I used to see in the Canaries always went ballistic at the mere mention of Tony Blair and now I think I understand his loathing of the man. I often wondered when the tipping point in the national decline came about and now it's becoming clearer through the mist that is political reasoning and public concern. Canada is in a trade deal (NAFTA) with the U.S. and Mexico and guess who always comes out of the bottom of the pile when it comes to decisions concerning all 3 nations. The holder of the hammer always dictates the agenda and the final decisions and in our case it isn't Canada, so when it comes to the E.U. anyone believing that the U.K. is getting a fair shake I refer them back to Tony Blair (sorry Keith).

I would also like to point out that security throughout the E.U. hasn't exactly improved during the lifetime of the agreement and won't anytime soon unless the mass migrations are stopped. What does Cameron say will be the benefit of exiting, or at least being treated more fairly, because he is looking a bit smug when he addresses any audience that want to listen and it must be a concern when you wonder if anything we hear from politicians is even close to the actual truth?

A crucial vote faces the population of the U.K. and I don't envy your choice, but whatever decision is made it will never return the things about my birthplace that were so special and look to have been eradicated forever. Be careful what you wish for and remember that many things on your wish list may no longer be available or even an option.

 

But it's this bloody liberal 'no blame' attitude that is wrong with so much of society, where the majority of decent people with an iota of common sense have become an unheard voice, while the hand wringing 'how dare you' minority always get their way.

The NIMBYs who stopped Ashton Vale are a prime example. They did it because they could, not because it was the right thing to do. They didn't care about the hundreds of new jobs it would have created or giving the city a bit of a leg up on what is still privately owned industrial wasteland.

Other nations would just have built the stadium. Period. Yet other cities like Rotherham, Bolton, Cardiff, Preston, Reading, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Wigan etc just get new stadiums which benefit the local communities.

I used to enjoy going to Calais on a booze run. We used to stay in a cheap hotel called The Cottage not far from Sangette, which is what I guess has now become 'The Jungle' and it was a really fun trip. I wouldn't go back there again as things stand or even to France, which I love as a country having worked there for nearly a year 10 years ago.

I work 3 shifts and travel from Whitchurch to Aztec West daily. The middle shift 09.00 - 17.30 can take me up to 2 hours each way. The Bristol roads are a completely mis-managed shambles and when there is a minor shunt you get the Highways Agency assholes closing whole lanes of a the M4, M5 or M32. Why do they stop a major road (the A37) when approaching a set of traffic lights for an unclassified side road ? When I can see there is nothing waiting and that's often the case, I drive through on red. Why am I heating up the planet and causing wear and tear on my own car ?

I'm unconvinced either way about whether we should stay in or leave the EU at the moment or what either option would mean long term, but we should have the power to control our borders and refuse entry to anyone we choose as a minimum. **** Brussels and all the immigrants. Look after the British people first !!!!!

I'm not a Labour supporter, but Blair had the opportunity to be a hero and a game/history changer.
Instead he got into bed with George Dubbya Bush and we became involved in costly (financially and in lost British lives) that we should have never have been drawn into. He's also clearly a liar and not a very good one at that !

As for those remaining in The Jungle. I'd shoot them all. Seriously. Problem solved.

 

So doctor's, engineers and world leading scientists should not be allowed into the country?

 

Ok so the referendum will be the first time I get to vote.

From my point of view we are much better in the EU than out. The links between countries suits our lucrative stem sector and also aids our finance sector, our main industry.

I believe that going out the EU is a shot in the dark and is likely to backfire. Pensions, education and much more is at risk. I am highly skeptical as to our ability to negotiate a better deal with Europe outside of it.

I value the humans right act and some of the protective EU legislation.

I don't believe leaving would particularly change our borders

Shared intelligence makes us safer in the EU

 

I just hope you never find yourself homeless. Most of these people have literally run for their lives. I don't know the answer but to say shoot the bastards I suggest says more about you than the migrants. Remember Bristol was built on the slave trade so our history is not lily white.

Migration in all its forms is a world problem and it needs a world solution

 

'Ok so the referendum will be the first time I get to vote'
Honestly ? I'd never have guessed.

'Most of these people have literally run for their lives'
and are either in Germany and Sweden or on their way there.

That lot in Calais are economic migrants - CHANCERS.

 

Absolute drivel. there is no such thing as a 'preferred market' for goods.. they will continue to sell to us because we will buy, they will continue to buy because we will sell.

Europe is weak and has been for a long time, thats why terrorist groups in very small numbers can devastate major Cities like Paris by fear. This has been caused by political correctness and the fear of offending people.

The rest of your argument was irrelevant pyschobabble.

 

I didn't call them bastards....probably should have though !

 

If we leave the EU then we'll share less police and intelligence resources with Europe. Therefore we will be MORE likely to have a terrorist attack.

 

Can you tell them that in the other 93% of land to stop building on flood plaines then if it's any good. Or failing that speak to the farmers who own land just to give it back so we can build on it please I'm sure they won't mind.

 

is that not the point of things like NATO and INTERPOL.
The most important thing for me is the countries we can open our trade to like the commonwealth giving us more food and goods to buy rather than be dictated to by brussels. Each countries court should be the last stand. They won't stop trading with us it would collapse a lot of economies and reduce their security by not having us help build things like the A400M.

 

Reading some of the stuff on here makes me cringe.
Do you honestly think Britain coming out will colapse our country,like hell it will.
What it will do is put the Great back in Britain.
This country as small as it is,will still be a major player.
We need to get our country back under our control,the British people are fed up to the back teeth with the red tape,the moneys wasted,the decline of our industries.
Time for Great Britain to say enough is enough,we are out.

 

out - before our little island sinks

 

I'm worried because I honestly think that leaving the Eu would collapse us. Stuff like the A400 M would be moved in the long term from Britain to another country. The eu is so big that if we leave they will easily cope without us. We would be even more powerless outside the eu to trade and get on with them.